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How many of us think that unification is no longer a priority and don't really want unification ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Funny that is exactly the image I had on my head about the Brexit bus too :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭reactadabtc


    We can afford both. We're a rich country and NI would grow as a result of reunification IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    I could never understand that eye bus thing, why isn't happening in other Healthboard areas?

    From my basic understanding it's more about the elongated funding approval regime governing Cork/Kerry that's very outdated and entrenched which makes those who can take matters into their own hands.

    It says more about Cork/Kerry than NI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    As long as this keeps happening it’s a firm “no” from me


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/major-security-alert-after-delivery-driver-threatened-at-gunpoint-to-drive-vehicle-with-object-inside-to-psni-station/a1900256699.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    One of first step the politicians would do is synchronise our property tax (LPT) up to Northern Ireland property tax rates.

    I find it very amusing that SF are happy to vote for increased property tax in NI, but hop up and down over any talk of increasing LPT.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd be very much against unification for the following reasons:

    1. The economic costs of unification and the need to propg up NI's economy would be absolutely crippling.
    2. Unionist violence would be inevitable
    3. Religious fundamentalists shouldn't be let within an ass's roar of a national parliament yet Northern Irish citizens keep electing them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    Is the NHS in NI so amazing? The health / mortality rates there would suggest otherwise.

    We have never had a proper debate re reunification here in the South. There are costs, benefits, impacts on our State - we would need to have that discussion to properly anchor any rational assessment. NI clearly IMHO would be better off as part of this State - economically it is the most deprived part of the UK. Investment flows from here and FDI would in all likelihood be transformative for NI. However, for a lot of folks identity, whatever that means to them, matters up there. That will take time to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I am 100% telling you the border hasn’t been the main political narrative in ROI for many, many decades.

    Housing, Healthcare, Social Welfare, Education, Transportation, Security are far more pressing issues for the vast majority. These are issues that impact on everyday life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    For us in Republic, if border erased, price disparities/bargains would disappear. Who'd vote for that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭cgorzy


    What bargains from price disparities there are should be most beneficial to those living near the border, on both sides. I don’t think it would mean that there is a bigger vote against Unification in border areas, I’d expect it to be the opposite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    edit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    edit wrong thread😞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    We are not that rich a country when our national debt per head of population is amongst the highest in the world.

    Plenty of people, busloads, borrowed off a credit union to have to go to N. Ireland from Cork and Kerry - or else go blind.

    But yet the governments pays some public sector pensioners six figure sums as a pension. Go figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    One government on the island makes sense but it would be the mother of all megaprojects with serious hazards on the financial, legal and security fronts to name but three. We might want to consider getting an army first. I hope it doesn’t happen until most of the people who care passionately about it either way have popped their clogs. The worst thing would be for it to be forced upon us suddenly by some foreign event like the break-up of the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭csirl


    I think it will happen within the next 20 years and it will boost the economies of both parts. Larger population, bigger workforce, Belfast as a counter balance to Dublin etc etc.

    When it happens it will be because both the Irish & UK governments have agreed the time is right and both will be advocating a yes vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    A united Ireland has been about 20 years away for the last 40 years.

    It's a comforting timespan for most - within thier lifetimes but with absolutly no immediate prospect of having to actually do or pay for anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    A unification referendum would be the biggest thing in this country's history.

    Housing shortages and housing over supply come and go, the economy goes boom and bust, taxes are high and taxes are low, welfare rates go up and down.

    All theses things are cyclical.

    But a unification referendum would change the whole structure of our country.

    A 32 county repbulic would fullfil the aspirations of millions of women and men throughout history, whether you agree with it or not.

    SF and others will put forward the argument that we will be better off, some of it will make sense, some of it won't, some will agree with it, other's won't.

    But who's going to make the arguments that it's too expensive and that we should ignore the wishes of the majority in NI and not let them join the Republic ?

    No one is going to make that argument other than a few fringe players.

    And it will pass with flying colours because the romance of a united Ireland will outweigh all the economic arguments, and people will just hope that SF are right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Would not pass "with flying colours" because since Brexit, people will know better than to vote for a roamantic notion or a pig in a poke. And a U.I. would be 100 times worse than Brexit, because it would involve pensions, NATO membership of N.I., security, loss of NHS, Irish language, currency, split up of UK national debt and Ireland taking N.I's share, flag, anthems, etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    And Brexit would be at least 30 years in the rearview mirror by the time this would come around.

    The people in favour would be able to explain away all the concerns you mentioned and there would be no one to counter those explanations, because as I said, no main party is going to be against this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    Aside from booze and fuel fluctuations there doesn't seem to be many bargains anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The people in favour (S.F. supporters) are no nearer explaining how issues would be resolved now than 30 years ago, and not an inch closer. Issues like pensions, NATO membership of N.I., security, loss of NHS, Irish language, currency, split up of UK national debt and Ireland taking N.I's share, flag, anthems, etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    For what it's worth British military pensions continued to be paid by Britain and not the Free State after the treaty. The same would apply to ex service pensioners in NI.

    There was even a housing development near where I grew up that was paid for by the British in the 1930s for retiring soldiers returning to Ireland!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Housing cheaper in N.I. because no vat on housing there. There is here, in rip off republic. Also cars are a lot cheaper but of couse people from here cannot buy cars from N.I. without paying lots more taxes. Medication a lot cheaper up North. Gap not as big as 12 years ago but gap still there

    Need I go on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    There was even a housing development near where I grew up that was paid for by the British in the 1930s for retiring soldiers returning to Ireland!

    There was a row of houses called Mon Terrace (After the Battle of Mons) in Castlebar that was built in the 1930s for former WW 1 soldiers, built by the "Soldiers and Sailors Land Trust"

    The last one was knocked just last year, not because of a "Brits out" campaign, but because it fell into disrepair.

    Way off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think it's off topic really. The assumption for some seems to be that one side must accept all the baggage of the other, when the process of ending partition is a jettisoning of a lot of baggage, especially the "promised land" Calvinist culture of so many brethren of the NI.

    The idea that there be a sectarian veto in an all island parliament like there is presently in Stormont wasn't even part of the GFA/Belfast agreement, it had to be brought in later as an emergency measure just to get all sides to sit in the same chamber.

    Stormont is a democracy with training wheels.

    I can see a united Ireland happening where before Brexit I didn't consider it probable in my lifetime. Brexit is essentially an English nationalist movement and it's heirs in the Reform and Tories will probably bring about the eventual dissolution of the UK as we've known it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    But none of that is going to stop the people in NI who state their national identity on the census as "Irish Only" from wanting to join the republic.

    These people will be in the majority when the border poll comes around.

    No person with an "Irish Only" identity will balk at the chance of a united Ireland over the price of a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JPup


    The idea that the NHS is miles ahead of the HSE is years out of date. Ireland's health care system ranks higher by many metrics now. The role out of the new primary care network has made a big difference.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/health/your-wellness/2026/03/17/how-irish-healthcare-compares-with-other-countries-you-might-be-surprised/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I am very very strongly against a UI because of silly statements like you have posted above. Lots of people calling for a UI are thinking with their hearts and talking romantic nonsense. These people pose a serious danger to the Rep of Ireland, perhaphs they think fairytale thinking is more important than the economy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    But in the real world economy isn't everything.

    Identity and culture trumps it at the end of the day.

    We would never be independent from the UK in the first place if people were just concerned about the economy.

    Separatist movements all over the world have ignored economics and sought separation or freedom.



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