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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Just been watching CrimeCall and that Icelandic poker player guy who vanished off the Swords Rd: that was a puzzle, for sure.

    The Gardaí say they received two anonymous letters which they regard as believable; leading to a search of lands around Santry. But they found nothing; and the sender of those letters probably knows more than they said….the whole thing is a mystery.

    Fellow had only been in Dublin just a day or two; what on earth could have happened?

    It MUST have had to do with the poker game which he had attended the previous night. I assume. But that's hardly a cause for abduction or murder. #baffled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,355 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    When the tournament is over , side games for cash ? Maybe he won against someone and cleaned them out is one thing that comes to mind .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 314 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Yes, it's very bizarre. The guy left his hotel at about 11am - very scant personal effects on him. Seemed to be nothing other than a walk/fresh air/going to the shop kinda situation. Last sighted strolling along Swords Road... then nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭tinpib


    I didn't see Crimecall, but there is a theory that another Icelandic poker player owed money to criminals and yer man Jon was killed in mistaken identity. Article here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,583 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Wouldn't rule out suicide also, he lost a lot of money at that poker night.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Surely his body would have been found if that’s what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    There's a podcast by rte & Icelandic TV called "Where's Jon" that covers it. I think their theory seems to be that someone in Iceland had him killed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,435 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    Quoting myself here, all three released without charge...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭I told ya


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2026/0331/1566011-marian-beattie-appeal/

    This was covered in the BBC series, Murder in the Badlands.

    From the interviews and reconstructions, it seemed that the murderer was known to the local community and the authorities…

    She was reported missing after the dance at the local police station. In the police station was a person who, (as claimed in the programme) was seen entering the dance hall in the company of the person she was seen leaving with and walking towards the quarry.

    IIRC, he claimed he was on duty and denied being at the dance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,870 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    That was very interesting indeed.

    His phone was left behind but law has never been able to unlock it which is such a pity because I'm sure that would have a better idea of his last contact with people.

    To thine own self be true



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 hacoran


    Re Jon J, I listened to the podcast, very detailed and so sad to hear his family, clearly at their wits ends. Did anyone else think the situation with the partner/girlfriend a bit odd? Lost passport, so arrived a day late, then as soon as she arrived, JJ went out? She gave a good account on the podcast though, I guess these things happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    File sent to the DPP in the Kerry Babies case. It doesn't necessarily mean charges will result but its the first significant step since the arrest of the alleged parents.

    Post edited by Hangdogroad on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Orban6


    "Joanne Hayes was arrested and charged after Baby John’s body was found in 1984, but the charge was later dropped and a tribunal of inquiry was set up to investigate the handling of her case by gardaí."

    Garda scum!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,770 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I be honest the more I read about all these missing cases leaves me to believe the Garda were as corrupt in this country as much as anywhere else.

    They pinned things on people without a shred of evidence at times.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    In fairness to the Guards - (I'm not defending corruption or bullying, at all, but….)

    When they had examined the body of a brutally murdered newborn, they naturally enquired at Maternity hospitals if any woman had arrived with no living baby to show. And there was one! They HAD to follow that up! She said her baby had been born dead and buried on her farm. Oh yeah? they said - show us, please. And she DID. It was true!

    It was at that point that the Guards should have abandoned this line of enquiry - in spite of the remarkable coincidence. But they just wouldn't let go of their pet theory and from there on, their conduct was aggressive and inexcusable; they demonised that poor woman.

    Corrupt, yes: but in the initial stages they were acting reasonably. Youi'd have done the same, up to the point where they saw the real dead baby on the farm. It was there they should have stopped and looked elsewhere!

    I really hope this case is solved. I suspect a series of family tragedies may lie behind it, but justice deserves not only to be done, but to be seen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    From the bit I saw on the news they found the couple with matching DNA with the baby. Questioned the couple for 24 hours let them go - three years ago. And now has the solicitor representing the couple basically saying to the authorities hurry up and make a decision. It all seems very bizarre to me.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    I suspect a series of family tragedies may lie behind it,


    What kind of family tragedies? Don’t recall hearing anything about that. The death of that baby is the strangest case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Oh, I don't know any facts - just a prickling between the shoulder blades. The persons concerned must have been very young at the time - if you work out from 1984 to nowadays and their given ages - and in that case, there might have been older adults involved. Impossible to say and gratuitous to speculate.

    Somebody murdered a baby and that was a crime, whatever the back story may have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 hacoran


    I've heard people saying that we should let sleeping dogs lie but in fairness to the Hayes family, they deserve to see someone held to account. Their lives were completely upended, intimate details of joannes life were broadcast on the media in a salacious fashion. They too lost a baby. And after all that does anyone remember the name of JH's married lover, who seems to have swerved any responsibility in the matter. JH was treated horribly by the media and judged by the public.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Joanne Hayes was treated disgracefully, she deserved her apology and more, and nothing really can make up for what her family went through. But it's the murdered baby above everyone who deserves for justice to be done. That someone could get away with the violent murder of a tiny baby is unconscionable, but also that parents of a child can get away with at the very least failing to raise safeguarding concerns for their child who they know, or at least must reasonably suspect, has come to harm. Then failing to cooperate with investigation. This must be seen to be a serious offence in itself, attracting significant punishnent. This case continues to resonate today when we still have children missing and or dead with their parents failing to report the crime or to cooperate with investigation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 hacoran


    Yes absolutely, you're right. Someone murdered a 5 day old baby and they should be brought to justice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    A 3 day old baby, + 2 days before he was found on the beach.



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