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How many of us think that unification is no longer a priority and don't really want unification ?

  • 30-03-2026 09:17PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭


    I used to bd pro-32 counties, but then I read an article interviewing Mehole Martin, and he pointed out that it was too divisive elsewhere.

    Irish reunification | Institute for Government

    How many of us have become disllusioned and no longer want unification.

    If the so-caled Rpeublican Party no longer consider it a priority, then Sinn Fein should start thinking of it as a pipe dream.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I for one don't want unification.

    I also think it hasn't got a chance of passing anyway.

    And I also think the electorate in NI would be bonkers to willingly swap the NHS for the HSE, among other things they would be agreeing to.

    I also think a lot of southern Irish people need to think and wonder and question can we afford it? Sure, we are rolling in dough now, but what if another crash comes and we add half a million more to the dole queue?

    Would the tricolour stay the same? Would the anthem stay the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭thomil


    The thing about reunification is that it tends to happen when you least expect it. I'm from Germany, I was eight years old when the wall came down on November 9th 1989, it was the first global event I remember clearly. Even in the summer of 1989, no one in Germany was expecting the Berlin Wall to fall, not without WW3 to help it along. Three months later, the gates at Bornholmer Straße opened and people danced outside the Brandenburg Gate. and a little less than a year later, on October 3rd 1990, a day that has since become Germany's national holiday, reunification happened.

    If & when Irish reunification happens, it will have less to do with the wishes of the people north & south of the border, and more with large scale political and economic shifts. It was the collapse of the USSR's economy that triggered the economic malaise that eventually took down the East German regime, together with the political shift triggered by Glasnost and Perestroika. This was something that the GDR government in East Berlin had no control over and actually fought against. It was also missed by all major intelligence organisations, east and west.

    Do I think it is likely that we will see Irish reunification within our lifetimes? No. Do I think it's a good idea? Also no. But it would be foolish not to prepare for it anyway. I do believe that it is worth having a discussion about how a united Ireland would look, how the government, and the institutions of the state should be structured. Remember. It was less than a year from November 9th 1989 to October 3rd and once the dominos start falling, it's too late to do the planning!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭satguy


    Nobody really wants it, and a vote in both NI & ROI right now today, would return two NO Votes.

    Plus ROI could not afford to take on NI, not at this time. It may happen on its own in 30 years time, in a different world.

    Or it may happen, if both NI & ROI had join forces to fight a common enemy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,056 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    A vote in the republic would pass hands down.

    The romanticism would trump any economic arguments.

    Plus as soon as a poll is announced there would be no party against it in the republic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Ultimately but not for a very long time. Also a decent majority vote like 70 or 80%. Any 51% vote in the near term will bring violence back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I am 2 years trying to find a GP, so I seriously doubt that figure. More like the HSE don't have all the numbers.

    There is a bus that goes from Cork every two weeks to go to Belfast for its passengers to get treatment for cataracts because the HSE can't provide the treatment. Unification would mean that treatment wasn't available for them or anyone in NI.

    Life expextancy would drop if people start walking into doors again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I am 2 years trying to find a GP, so I seriously doubt that figure. More like the HSE don't have all the numbers.

    Typical stupid statement from boards user.

    Just because of my experience then something else must not be true.

    Life expectancy, which is a key indicator of income, education and access to health services, is longer in the South with men living two years longer and women 1.5 years longer.

    In 2022 life expectancy was 80.9 years for men and 84.2 for women in the Republic compared to 78.9 and 82.7 in the North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    @Benedict XVI

    Typical stupid statement from boards user.

    Real life experience of a real life person. Unlike a keyboard warrior like you.

    Life expectancy is greater in Ireland. Oh great, so I can sit in my nappies for 5 years longer. I look forward to those blissful years.

    Oh FFS:

    ife expectancy, which is a key indicator of income, education and access to health services, is longer in the South with men living two years longer and women 1.5 years longer.

    2 years longer!! Is that seriously your argument?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    Having life expectancy higher in ROI isn't necessarily down to a superior health service. It's likely down to the article title of higher living standards in ROI giving health and longevity benefits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I never said it was down to a better health system, I just pointed to proof that life expectancy in the republic was higher when another poster suggested it wasn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭CrazyEric


    The North is an economic basket case. Massive social welfare spending which the British government would love to get rid of and Ireland cannot afford to take on. I think it would be a close run thing in the South and a definite no in the North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Another poster said life expectancy was higher in the republic, you said you didn't think it was, I pointed to research that says it is.

    Stop digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    I'm not sure "nobody" really wants it, but as for me: heart does, head doesn't. Mainly because it could start another campaign of violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    You quoted the ESRI who have been wrong many many times.

    You are the one digging my friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    Whatever happens, It should not be forced down peoples throats! All the old romantic reasons aren't important. Peace is the only factor that matters and a border poll that might suggest that it could narrowly pass should be avoided like the plague.

    Personally, I don't think we should force unification on people who feel more British no matter how small that minority may be. It's uncivilized and unrepresentative of the people on this island and something that goes against everything we struggled for in this country.

    I also think it makes more practical sense for people down south to keep things as they are. Taking on NI would be a massive economic undertaking. I think it also helps us stay somewhat connected to Britain in positive ways, keeping doors open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Naw, you're just a clown.

    Blame the source when it doesn't say what you want.

    Why don't you just accept what the other poster said when they said that the republic has higher life expectancy ?

    Why argue it ?

    Are you one of these gobshites who wants to put down the country at every turn or are you just stupid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    The British government won't call it on a whim

    They will probably wait until there is a 60%+ chance of it being passed.

    That day will come, the people who consider their national identity as Irish will probably be ahead of those that consider their identity as British in the 2031 census, so it will be sometime in the years after that.

    SF will continue to say we need a border poll as soon as possible, but that's just talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    I want it but it will need E.U support in terms of a bucket of money to prime the economy of north and border area and some sort of SFADCO type deal.

    The big countries might support it as a vanity project to prove the merits of the European project and they might enjoy some schadenfreude from United Kingdom of GB and N.I. being no more. The rabid republicans who engage in provocation of the Unionists would have to be muzzled. Perception of southerners has improved greatly over the last 35 years and triumphalism by empty vessels would work against reunification before, during and after reunification day. I don't see any current leader of an Irish political party being the person to get this over the line as they are all political beasts. Some sort of Mandela character is needed.

    Constitution which agreed on for a new 32 county state is also needed so that 6 don't feel like they have been subsumed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    60% possibility of passing is on a bit of a whim to me. This has to be handled with the utmost respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭RockOrBog


    We can't afford the North, we can't afford the counties we have. Also a lot of them are penny pinchers that's worse again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    It doesn't matter.

    The romance of a united Ireland will win the day in the south when it comes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭RockOrBog


    You are probably right, why is the ROI always 20 or 30 years behind the rest of the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭RockOrBog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    While I agree with you on all fronts. I like my land bridge to the UK. I am not invested in proping up the failed state of Northern Ireland and its out of control social welfare economy (I blame politicians and civil servants not citizens). It will take at least 20 years to stem the flow of talent bleeding out of northern Ireland and border counties. No factories, no educated talent base little industry. Aparts from the land there arent much gains.

    Plus we will get NATO western approaches bases in Cobh, Li.erick and Logh Swilly.

    What you dont see is the youth vote controlled by government propaganda. College kids are very very suggestable. They will be in favour of a yes vote without understanding the consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Don't mind Handshank redemption, he's a knowall, know nothing poor soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    The NHS/HSE thing is the main thing I suppose. Very interesting thread.

    I always remember Jonathan Lynn, writer of Yes, Minister saying that hie wanted to do an NI ep, but the BBC wouldn't let him, and that his stance was neither the UK or Ireland wanted Ulster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Compared to thirty years ago, things are absolutely fantastic, with a relatively peaceful Northern Ireland, and a functioning NI executive (of sorts). No bombs and no rubber bullets on the six o'clock news, no bloody massacres, no official statements from men in balaclavas, no army patroling the streets either, and no petrol bombs!

    Peach has broken out over the last thirty + years and it's a great thing to witness, with the two jurisdictions rubbing along in harmony (not perfect), but harmonious none the less.

    Constitutionally Northern Ireland remains a region within the United Kingdom and we respect their right to remain so. Without pressure, and without threats, the ROI respects their right to exist as part of the UK.

    By many accounts the NI demographics are shifting from what went before, British or Irish is not so, the shifting sands have taken the sting out of the fight, with the Northern Irish identity now becoming a thing too in it's own right. All this with the backdrop of peace 🕊️

    Of course Sinn Fein keep pushing for a border poll, always pushing to change the status quo into what they demand, always pushing to artificially change the dynamic, before it happens organically (in ten or twenty years time) ?

    If Scotland breaks away from the UK, things may even take another direction altogether. The irony being, many Scots wanting to install a more defined border on the island of Gt Britain, to mark out distinctly the division between the two parts of ithe island, to seperate the two cultures, while the opposite is true on this island, where many want to erase the border altogether, so to have one unit, one nation, one culture ?

    Great that the Troubles are over anyway.



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