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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Until we start to get other middle eastern countries to focus on building rather than destruction, this tit-for-tat sectarian violence will continue.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,284 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The scum that is Israel are even more brazen and yet the west looks the other way and shouts squirrel… this emboldens the scum even more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Until we get western countries to focus on rebuilding relationships with ME countries instead of invading one after another, the violence will continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Do you really think that is the core of the problem, the west ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,284 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Saudi Arabia is so interwoven and beholden to the US military and they host plenty of US war assets and you think they are the good guys in the middle east?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The UK High Court made absolutely zero judgement on facts.

    I will continue to choose not to take my news from Assad apologists.

    Again, the BBC is not perfect, but someone coming on to tell us you can't trust anything from them at all and you are naive to think you can, followed by them posting the most farcically easily debunked propaganda from a nonsense source is just ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    How embarrassing for MBS listening to Trump telling the world he is now kissing Trumps *ss. Sells oil in USD for US protection, invests profits to buy US debt, spends billions on US weapons, puts bases on it's land and gets made to look like a weak vassal for his trouble.

    "To be a friend of the US is dangerous to be an ally is fatal"

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,800 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Boards is more of a spirits out of the bottle place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ha, true. I think those that get their news from Arab news would end up having a pro-Saudi view. I think SA are better than Iran and at least more hope for them in the future but their actions in yemen have shown that is quite along way away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Iran is not the Middle East

    in case it escaped your attention it’s not the “west” who attacked Oman, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, Azerbaijan which is almost everyone in the Middle East



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,284 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    They did…. the UN has not condemned the US / Israel attack on Iran though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Please stop replying to my posts, especially when you're just deliberately mispresenting what I have said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Bombing Iran's energy infrastructure today, straight from the Putin playbook.

    Will the EU condemn this in any way beyond "urging all sides to negotiate"?

    It's a total disgrace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,284 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I can't believe that Kenny Everett's General Cheeseburger character has essentially become a documentary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    lol. Unfortunately the MAGA people running the US are worse than that caricature.

    First there's the open and unashamed corruption in government. I think the old right wing Cold warriors on alert for internal "pinkos" and subversives would have actually considered that emblematic of what they were fighting against!

    Also with their "Secretary of War" (Hegseth) I detect a kind of nastiness + cruelty and nihilism there, perhaps love of violence and death for its own sake without any actual goal which is I think a new departure for the US military leadership and government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There's a cynicism in American politics that allows that open corruption to manifest. Someone said it on this board one time - I wish I could give credit to the original author - but they were replying to a post expressing cynicism in that "shur, aren't all politicians liars" kind of way and the response was "…you give succour to fascism." and I've always thought about this because I think it really is true. Once you shrug your shoulders and declare that no-one really has the moral high ground, you haven't reached some enlightened place. All you're really doing is setting the stage for the worst to prosper in politics. They'll rise to power, stamp on people's faces (metaphorically, if not literally) and will be applauded for it because it's like at least they're not being hypocritical or hidden about it. As if this is some kind of upgrade in the general state of things. It's insane.

    To the second point, it's ironic if wholly unsurprising that Trump returned to power on something of an isolationist platform, then quickly had his DoD call themselves the Department of War and flirt with starting WW3.

    Chaos for the ordinary person is bad, but for the thinkers behind Trump, I think they view chaos as desirable. Chaos causes governmental structures to fall both at home and abroad and allows for brutal authoritarianism to rise from the ashes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Tazz T




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Didn't address any of my easily verifiable facts. Bye bye to another Israeli schill. Shouldn't it be podge.isl?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    The indicators are… indicating

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment. British and French colonialism was replaced with American imperialism and clandestine interference, leading us today to a region that is rife with fundamental extremists. The fact that both Lebanon and Iran were well on their way to becoming liberal democracies in the 50's tells us everything we need to know about the results of consistent interference, always for the gain of the wealthy few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    Jane Fonda, recently called out Trumps invasion of Iran, as (I paraphrase here) more Neo-Con Vietnam influenced bullshit, and said that Trump is unstable. At an anti‑war rally in Los Angeles, Fonda condemned the strikes as “dangerous and insane” linking them to past wars fought on false premises and warning that new conflict, risks spiralling into regional wars with many American casualties. Calling Trump “unhinged” and “at war on many fronts” was an even sharper critique by Fonda in other appearances. 

    Trump and the Neo-cons who back him, see the U.S.as honouring the lives of those vets who served in ‘Nam and still remain alive to this day, vets and war heroes, who want to know they didn’t fight for nothing, and that their sacrifice meant something for American and global security. I have a tendency to sympathise with these men and women and this view somewhat. Those of us, who have connections to America outside of business, or have been to Arlington Cemetery, or went there in our youths and stayed with welcoming hosts, invited into their homes, as many Americans so often do with strangers from abroad, know this to be a great honour for Americans – to serve their country and fellow countrymen and women as a the highest honour. It brings the argument back to the point, and reduces it down to a right versus left debate, of non-interventionism on the left, to the geo political great game of chess on the right, where Russia, socialism and the left are the opposing, dominating force in the world which the right must confront. 

    Let us analyse Trump, Hegseth’s and this Irish government’s positions, on the bombing and ongoing war with Iran and Gaza. Firstly, there was the Oct 7th attacks in Israel which lead to Ireland, very vociferously on the world stage denouncing Israel and its governments actions. Now, the same is happening with the Trump administration and it’s bombing of Iran. What that means is that every time, socialists or people from traditionally left-wing parties, speak out act out against the right, it feels cornered and will push back militarily, or more accurately, Trump, or his generals, or his Administration, will advise those countries to do so. It also includes Trump supporting Israel’s supposed retaliatory strikes to global criticism.

    What we had with Iran, was enrichment levels rising to 60%, 10% below nuclear warhead level enrichment. So, if a strike were to happen on Iran it would be 10% off having a warhead with nuclear capabilities and this was on quite a large scale with many warheads at that level. We have seen in the past, the US delegation going to Iran to craft JCPOA and its removal of weapons grade uranium/enrichment, but time and again Iran have breached this agreement. In fact, Trump believed, there was little to no choice left for his administration. However, the factual picture is more complicated. International monitoring groups, and U.S. intelligence assessments reported, that Iran’s previously enriched uranium stocks were buried after earlier strikes, making rapid bomb production unlikely. They also found little evidence that Iran had resumed active weaponisation work. But enrichment alone does not equal a functioning nuclear weapon. Public intelligence assessments in early 2026 concluded that Iran was not on the verge of building a finished warhead, even if its completion period had shortened.

    In Gaza, the argument that Irish criticism “motivates” Trump to push back militarily is more interpretative than factual. But the point remains and stands- every time there is shouting and opposition from Ireland, to Gaza and the Iranian wars on the world stage by Irish politicians and representatives, this motivates Trump and his allies to push back militarily, to defend their position as though they are cornered. What we can say is that Trump has reacted aggressively to European leaders who challenge him through back channels in a calm manner, which is very underhand way of dealing with dissent, as has been seen often in Irish institutions and private organizations in many cases in the past. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, has called the U.S.-Israeli bombing campaign a “violation of international law” prompting Trump to threaten cutting off all trade with Spain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    A grade 1 reliable information source, all we are missing is Charlie Bird !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Scumbag

    Trump says he wants to ‘take the oil in Iran’

    US President Donald Trump has told the Financial Times newspaper that he wants to “take the oil” in Iran and said Washington could capture the Iranian export hub on Kharg island.

    Trump compared the potential move to the US approach in Venezuela, where he noted Washington’s intention to control the oil industry “indefinitely” following the abduction of President Nicolas Maduro in January.

    “To be honest with you, my favourite thing is to take the oil in Iran but some stupid people back in the US say: ‘why are you doing that?’ But they’re stupid people,” he said.

    “Maybe we take Kharg Island, maybe we don’t. We have a lot of options,” Trump told the FT. “It would also mean we had to be there [in Kharg Island] for a while.”

    When asked about the state of Iranian defence on Kharg Island he said: “I don’t think they have any defence. We could take it very easily.”

    Link

    https://aje.news/p0huh8?update=4445138



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    OK lets go that direction, what have they done to YEMEN historically?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Actually for YEMEN you can probably throw in the Portuguese, Jews, Ottomans, Egyptians, Russians, Saudi’s, English, and thats before you look at their ancient history, they actually ruled as far north as Makkah. Unfortunately I don’t think that they have ever known an era of peace and definitely not since the north south fighting began in the 60’s. But why in a country that ranks as the worlds least peaceful country and is extremely high in the food stress lists, are we seeing advanced intercontinental missile technology, why can’t these countries just invest in their own people and for once in their lives give them an opportunity.

    It’s a long time since i visited Aden, but it was a beautiful city with amazing architecture, the countryside is even better judging by online blogs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    OK, so what would you have expected them to do with YEMEN? Ignore it?

    And considering that we are discussing the Middle East, which journalistic source are are you willing to accept? BBC Arabic or Persia or the Baghdad times ?



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