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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,100 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    There has to be a stronger European-centric organization though. NATO isn't reliable as long as its largest player casts doubt on whether they would actually respond to an invocation of Article 5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    A European force just needs to be stronger than Russia without the US support and i think it is that now, and only because Russia is historically weak.

    Hopefully NATO does not get sucked into the fight with Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,100 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    They don't have to be a match. The USA isn't willing to see as many of its people returned in caskets, whereas the Iranians are more than willing to see their civilian population continue to endure hardship, and their military forces decimated. I'm sure the Iranian leadership secretly couldn't believe their luck when that school was hit. They needed something to consolidate support for the regime after their suppression of the protests so recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @kowloon

    you are thinking of a different aircraft carrier, USS Truman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    USS Ford? Has it even arrived in the area yet? They did announce that the USS Lincoln was attacked hence the need to move it further off shore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, it doesn't necessarily mean there would have be a major hand-to-hand battle on the island between the US and Iranians. The Americans might initially take the island but would then be sitting ducks for a barrage of missiles, drones, and heavy artillery perhaps lasting for many months.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Classic. "Don't trust the BBC" by someone who believes a carefully cropped video from a bullshit "news" agency with the credulity of a toddler.

    When uh we hit Venezuela, and you know that's a very strong military country. They have soldiers if you've ever been there. I've been there. They have a lot of soldiers walking around all over the place. Everyone's a soldier. Very military kind of a place.

    And the general there was a general professional general really good. And he said: "We were all set for him. We knew there was a problem when we noticed at 1:00 in the morning every 32 seconds another airplane, a very fast plane, was coming off the deck of an aircraft carrier. That's actually the biggest aircraft carrier in the world. And every 32 seconds, boom, boom, boom. And it was 1:00 in the morning". So we said, "Okay, I think we're in trouble." But they were ready for us, Johnny. And we were ready. He said we were ready. "And then they hit us and they came from 17 different angles. They were here, they were there, they... we ran for our lives". It was over and uh it [clears throat] was over.

    And then we took this guy who was a very bad guy and within literally minutes he was in the back of a helicopter in a house that was in a big military base with thousands and thousands of soldiers. The house was all steel with steel doors, steel everything. They had the small steel doors, the big storage...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Anois_


    I never said it was real. The first couple of words of my post mention that.

    Also I wouldn't even open a BBC webpage as all I'm doing is giving them more views and yes they are extremely biased on topics. As I said in my second post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Ouch, that is going to damage both parties.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Speaking of schools. Following the extensive bombing of Tehran and Isfahan universities which caused massive damage a couple of nights ago, they have announced a list of all US connected universities which need to be evacuated with 24 hours.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is real. It is deliberately cropped mendaciously by a completely untrustworthy actor and then they just brazenly lie about what he is discussing, something that could be easily checked in the space of about 30 seconds.

    But please, tell me more about how one can't trust the BBC based on your extensive knowledge and research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    She’s in Croatia now for repairs after the laundry fire.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Trump has largely ignored Congress when making decisions. He has actively defied them by not spending money appropriated by Congress. The Appropriations Clause of the Constitution says that the Congress appropriates spending. Since Nixon, who violated this, Presidents need Congressional permission under the 1974 Impoundments Control Act to not spend appropriated money. He has not asked for it. Russ Vought , the CBI, publicly said that the administration considers the I.C.A. to be unconstitutional, despite SCOTUS always upholding it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The real test for the US will come when the Democrats take back control of the House and demand that he follow the law. Currently he gets away with it because Congress (and that pathetic today Johnson) simply allow him to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,100 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    They might sow disorder threatening all sorts of retaliation, but they have to successfully follow through on a few threats or it'll just become noise people filter out. So they have to be taken seriously. The real game changer would be terrorist attacks in the USA proper. It's probably a good thing the World Cup is a while off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    But the truth is that the US House Speaker is repeatedly not allowing them to vote at all. He also did this for months in 2023 on aid to Ukraine, which in my opinion led to the Russians getting to Pokrovsk. Johnson is more a silencer than a speaker. He appoints two thirds of the Rules Committee that decides what comes to the floor. The House can still force a vote by Discharge Petition but it requires a majority. Sometimes Johnson sends the House out of session to delay this. Parallels with Boris Johnson and Prorogation of the UK Parliament during Brexit before his first Brexit deal, when he didn't have an overall majority before the 2019 election. The UK Supreme Court found against him in the Miller Case. SCOTUS has been much more of a rubber stamp, except on tariffs and attempts to undo Obamacare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I would say Israel has crushed Hamas and Hezbollah pretty effectively. Has it wiped them out? No. Has it greatly weakened both organisations? Yes. Were numerous war crimes committed along the way? Also yes.

    Israel and US could do similar to Iranian military if they decide. Look how many top people they've already eliminated.

    Can Iran do any serious damage to Israeli or US military? No.

    Can Iran do big economic damage? Yes.

    It's not that hard to see the difference between what cards each side can play with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    raffi berg https://thecradle.co/articles-id/28258



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    All true, but the point is that that will (most likely) change in 8 months time. That is the real test, because then finally Congress will push back and try and reclaim their rights.

    Ultimately Trump now can do whatever he wants cause Johnson rubber stamps it by inaction. If the House demands he spends congressionally appropriated funds and he doesn't that is a whole other ball game. Or indeed, they demand that he stop military action without their consent…



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Oh cool, I definitely believe thecradle.co and Owen bloody Jones.

    The BBC is not perfect, but it actually has both standards and the ability for people to highlight when it does not meet those standards. That those who consider it so deeply untrustworthy jump to random blogs and clearly false social media garbage tells its own story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    But do you think the Americans would just accept that? Far more likely Trump would say "you stop all attacks by midnight tonight or else we wipe Teheran off the face of the earth".

    Didn't he once say "What's the point in having nukes if we can't use them?"

    Would the US military refuse such an order? Or even just total destruction of the city with "conventional" weapons? I doubt it. And Israel would surely be delighted to help out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    But it wasn’t attacked like the conspiracy theorists were claiming

    It’s sitting in the bay in Split, Croatia with loads of photos coming out today and no visible external damage from missiles etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Still a bit behind the US in terms of support, the toll of Iranian, Hezbollah and Huthi missiles/rockets are taking their toll. I wonder if Israel will start killing protesters à la Iran?

    Haaretz:
    As Iran and Hezbollah continue to target Israel with ballistic missiles, drones and rocket fire, it appears that support for the war at the home front is waning, according to data released by the Israel Democracy Institute. A preview of the institute's March Voice Index showed that 68 percent of Israelis backed continuing the war, down from 81 percent on February 28. Just 50 percent said that they "strongly support" the war, down from 68 percent in mid-March.

    In the past 24 hours, 148 wounded arrived at Israeli hospitals, including one in serious condition and eight in moderate condition. 

    Since the start of the war, 5,768 wounded have been evacuated to hospitals, of whom 137 are currently hospitalized, Israel's Health Ministry said Sunday morning. Among them, one is in critical condition and 15 are in serious condition.

    Several anti-war demonstrations took place on Saturday across the country, with police violently dispersing some and arresting 22 people, claiming that they violated Home Front Command guidelines. About a thousand gathered at the main protest in Tel Aviv's Habima Square, where for the first time since the war began, people protesting the Netanyahu government's attempted judicial coup stood alongside anti-war demonstrators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    seriously ? BBC journalists have been giving out about him for ages.do your research. Choose your source. Do you deny he wrote a book glorifying mossad terrorism in which he admits close collaboration with Mossad? Do you deny that BBC journalists have been speaking out against him whitewashing Israeli war crimes? Are you aware of this background - a former CIA agent in the propaganda unit. He has a framed letter from Nethanhanyu in his office praising his activities next to photos of him meeting with Mark Regev and a Mossad commander.

    Tell me again how this BBC editor is not biased - he's a israeli plant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Scapegoats already being lined up by Israeli Govt.


    Haaretz - Amos Harel

    In Washington, as in Jerusalem, they are already searching for scapegoats in case it turns out that the adventure in Iran has failed.

    Netanyahu's associates are pointing fingers at defense establishment leaders – the Mossad chief (for his exaggerated optimism regarding the toppling of the regime) and the IDF chief of staff (after he warned the cabinet on Wednesday that the army would collapse into itself, given the burdens placed on it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Oh and you'll be fully aware that the UK high court ruled in favour of 'Owen bloody Jones' in the libel case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/israeli-strike-kills-least-two-lebanese-journalists-al-manar-tv-says-2026-03-28/

    BEIRUT, March 28 (Reuters) - Israeli forces killed three Lebanese journalists in southern Lebanon on Saturday in ​an airstrike that Israel's military said had targeted one of the reporters, with a follow‑up strike on the rescue workers sent to assist them also ‌causing fatalities.

    How any right minded people can defend this fúcking scum is utterly beyond me at this stage. I'm guessing if they were around in 1930s/40s Germany they'd be asking us to consider 'both sides'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Beer and posting dont go together.

    Post edited by smurfjed on


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