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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    thats the point that. Weaken Europe. Us / Israeli hegemony.. at this stage Europe should be telling the us to stop or face military action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's time for the ICJ to find Israel culpable of Genocide.

    And for Netanyahu and Gallant to be taken to The Hague to stand trial for War Crimes.

    Not only would that see justice being served for the world but also for Israelis across the world who abhor what is being perpetrated in their name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    We can dream but heavy trade sanctions should seriously be on the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    In years to come people will ask how Israel were allowed to kill so many people in so many different countries !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,173 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Europe threatening the US with military action, whilst its reliant upon US weapons, intelligence and support for any Expeditionary operations is a ridiculous ask TBH.
    What should happen as a matter of urgency, is a pivot to a wholly European based defence structure.
    An ersatz NATO based initially on expanding article 42.7 of the the TFEU. (The clause Ireland is opted out of).

    Follow that up by cancelling US orders and scaling up production of European alternatives.
    Kick the US out of European bases and be prepared for the risks that come with that tough talk.
    NATO's European bases are a significant force multiplier for the US and a boon for US support of Israeli security.
    The loss of a significant portion of EU/NATO missile defence and early warning, Aegis ashore and the interceptors.
    Also there are significant European contracts with Israeli defence companies.


    From Germany and the Arrow interceptors, to multiple nations operating Spike missiles, and other air defence and anti-ship missiles from Greece to Finland and many nations in between.
    The US & Israel are deeply embedded into European defence structures and can't be easily cut out, no matter how necessary.

    There is no easy path to European defence independence, it won't happen within 15yrs.
    France are the only of the EU nations currently capable of ensuring they can operate independently of US equipment and even that is a recent development despite the lionising of De Gaulle and "Strategic Autonomy".

    You aren't wrong, I do agree with you and my own opinion has been since the moment the EU decided to develop an Independent foreign policy and appointed a commissioner for same?
    That an independent EU military was a necessity.
    We cannot rely solely on market & regulatory power to force our foreign policy aims.
    Sometimes the threat of force and even it's application are a necessary part of foreign policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,347 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Make no mistake Putin wants Russia and him , to be top dog . The handiest way of doing that is to occupy the US in a war which will last along time .

    He has also managed quite easily to fracture NATO anď the US / Europe alliance .Trump has been played lìke a fiddle and doesn’t even , either know it , or is complicit in it .

    Watch Trump buy sea side properties in the Levant .



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    I think direct economic policies targeting the US would be more effective. I feel we'll see Europe leaning towards China, even after Trump is gone because it'll be hard to rebuild that trust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    its a repeat of ww2. Appeasing a madman who is threatening Europe not just indirectly thru illegal war cutting off vital supply routes to Europe but direct threats to invade Europe. He gets Iran, he will take Cuba and then greenland. Remind you of anyone? But right in one respect Europe and the UK are cowards. Every us base in Europe and the UK should be removed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Protests in Tel Aviv against the war started by Israel and the U.S. You do wonder where these protests were since the genocide started in Gaza back in October 2023. A society that cheers on and supports genocide is one that is devoid of humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Their relationship, as a terrorist and genocidal state, with western democracies is going to be a fascinating one for future historians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Trump is a prick but I find these comparisons to Hitler a bit much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    yiu don't see the comparisons, or ….it's appeaeement of a tyrant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Well the difference is that Trump is coming to the end of his life and so is not as dangerous as Hitler was on that score -for him the future seemed like an open road.

    As people I would put them in the same league but Hitler was a force of nature (an awful,pestilence one) whereas Trump is more like a boil on the arse of humanity.

    As to their respective potential dangers to the world I am not sure how to split them .We may ,ironically have China(and Iran) to thank for putting manners on Trump if push comes to shove.

    With noting that the man who gave us the Godwin's Law ** has cut us plenty of slack when it comes to Trump and his cabal of feeders.

    **I think he is the one

    Edit: from Wikipedia

    "In an opinion published the same day in 

    The Washington Post

    ", Godwin stated: "Yes, it's okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don't let me stop you."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    They've been there, and much bigger than todays. If you were paying attention you'd know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Things might go up a notch

    US preparing for weeks of ground operations in Iran: Report

    The Washington Post, citing unnamed US officials, is reporting that the Pentagon is preparing for weeks of ground operations in Iran.

    The officials told the Post that the possible ground operation “would fall short of a full-scale invasion” and could involve raids by special forces and “conventional infantry troops”.

    The Post said it was unclear whether Trump would approve all, some or none of the Pentagon’s plans.

    The report came as the US military announced the arrival of 3,500 troops from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit in the Middle East. Trump meanwhile has called on Iran to accept defeat and threatened to “unleash hell” against the country if it continues to block the maritime corridor in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Link

    https://aje.news/zgevw1?update=4443123



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Ukraine and Saudi Arabia sign an air defence agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,347 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Trump may well be coming to the end of his term . Putin isn't . Watch him load Iran with weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This sounds plausible. It may be that Trump can see no viable off ramp out of this war, apart from the alternative mortifying prospect of having to admit he should never have invaded Iran. He may feel that simply declaring he has 'won' the war and doing a runner is no longer a real prospect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It's not just Trump that needs an off ramp. The Gulf regimes do also, quite obvious to anyone now that they have allowed themselves to go along with this, or been pushed into it somehow.

    Quite simple for them really, request the removal of all bases, ban it's airspace and waters from being used. US would be on it's own aside from Israel helping out with carpet bombing more apartment blocks and hospital

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Yup like I wrote yesterday,


    the writing is on the wall, having failed at Venezuela style change the Trumps and Netanyahus of this world would go to plan B

    which is carpet bombing of vital Iranian infrastructure followed by balkanisation, multi front Syria style civil war, and attacks on Iran from all the neighbours Iran attacked more than Israel leaving them with no future and only conclusion that Iranian regime has to go, with seizure of strategic locations

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pentagon-preparing-weeks-ground-operations-iran-washington-post-reports-2026-03-29/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Thanks for your post @dmcdona , It’s an extremely long list up to the present why the ICJ haven’t ruled on genocide yet: The United States have been thwarting the ICJ.

    I'll start with Israel coming after ICC prosecutor Karim Khan, e.g., alleging sexual misconduct. They filed an official appeal to ICC about the arrest warrants for Bibi and Gallant.

    I can only imagine the mounting pressure for then retired President of ICJ to publicly ‘clarify’ ruling on “plausible genocide” in a BBC interview on 26 April 2024, especially when the ICJ provisional order of 26 January 2024, was already crystal clear. No relevant supplementary info was given by her.

    In her BBC INTERVIEW, retired President of ICJ Joan Donoghue said the court decided the Palestinians had a “plausible” right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court. It didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible. In other words, Joan Donoghue is saying South Africa established a prima facie case. (South Africa’s proceedings requested provisional measures to protect Palestinian rights in Gaza under the Genocide Convention). Donoghue also said the ICJ Provisional Order emphasised there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinians’ right to be protected from genocide.

    It’s all academic BS, genocide has been accomplished. They’ve levelled Gaza, it’s uninhabitable... The United States did this. Now US are in Iran for no reason except to prop up Israel and Saudi Arabia (Trump does their dirty work). < ——-

    For ease of reference: Below are Excerpts Only from ICJ Provisional Order of 26/01/2024:

    54. In the Court’s view, the facts and circumstances mentioned above are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible. This is the case with respect to the right of the Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts identified in Article III, and the right of South Africa to seek Israel’s compliance with the latter’s obligations under the Convention.

    VI. CONCLUSION AND MEASURES TO BE ADOPTED
    75. The Court concludes on the basis of the above considerations that the conditions required by its Statute for it to indicate provisional measures are met. It is therefore necessary, pending its final decision, for the Court to indicate certain measures in order to protect the rights claimed by South Africa that the Court has found to be plausible (see paragraph 54 above).

    'UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording’
    ‘Chair of foreign affairs select committee Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay’

    ‘Analysis: starvation in Gaza likely key to UK legal advice on war crimes’
    BY Toby Helm Political editor, 31 Mar 2024
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recording

    Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns,at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March said:

    “The Foreign Office has received official legal advice that Israel has broken international humanitarian law but the government has not announced it.

    “They have not said it, they haven’t stopped arms exports. They have done a few very small sanctions on Israeli settlers and everyone internationally is agreed that settlers are illegal, that they shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing, and the ways in which they have continued and the money that’s been put in.”

    Kearns told the gathering that both she and Cameron believed strongly in Israel’s right to defend itself. “But the right to self-defence has a limit in law. It is not limitless,” ....

    Furthermore, An Open Letter dated 3 April 2024:
    1100 (sic) named UK-based barristers, lawyers, legal academics, including 4 former Supreme Court judges and 5 former Appeal Court judges signed an Open Letter to UK PM asking Rishi Sunak to stop selling arms to Israel. They mentioned “plausible genocide”
    https://lawyersletter.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Gaza-letter-FIN-3-April.pdf

    1100 Named Signatories:

    https://lawyersletter.uk/april2024letter/

    ^^^ Israel lawyers countered. I infer the retired ICJ President Joan Donoghue must have felt the heat…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    The difference is Hitler was more intelligent than Trump. Hitler built a movement from the grassroots rank and file. Trump created MAGA by promising the mob whatever they wanted and lying all the time. And Hitler, unlike Trump, wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth. They have megalomania in common, but Hitler was better at it, he kept up his war for 5 plus years. Trump is already toast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Just another fire sale of Ukrainian resources and movement/theft of public wealth to private pockets. Zelensky is an absolute charlatan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I understand Karim Khan was cleared by an investigation. I think the US and Israel, and cronies in the right-wing media have dossiers of often unsubstantiated allegations ready to be rolled out against critics of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Yeah. It's a fact with the Israeli government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Tomahawk missiles getting spent up at an alarming rate. Must be getting close to having to reload the ships soon you would think. Bahrain base not an option now so maybe have to sail 4000km away to Diego Garcia if replacements are there.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    It has been reported a supplemental of $200bn will be sought by the WH from Congress. I think a ground war is coming. Vance reportedly unenthusiastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    If they haven't achieved their objectives by now relentless bombing won't improve the situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Maybe they can fill those air defence launchers with bundles of dollars when the last one is spent up.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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