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Afcon final madness

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its not about proving you didn't break the rules. That is never what they do in these situations.

    Its about proving the disciplinary process was flawed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    You have to feel sorry for Mane who stayed on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    My money is on this being overturned at some point.

    Whole thing is a farce, nobody comes out of it looking in any way good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It will go to CAS and be overturned I reckon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,801 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    just read the Moroccan and the ball boys who had all got fined for wrestling with the Senagalese back-up goalkeeper who was trying to protect Mendy's towels and stop Moroccan time wasting all had their fines reduced.

    That certainly reeks of brown envelope business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Listened to a guy on Talksport today making that point that it isn't thin ground at all, that it is explicit in the rules that the referees decision is final, and as such the result should stand.

    So even if the ref should have considered the game abandoned and awarded a victory to Morocco, he didn't do that, he made a different decision and as such that decision should stand.

    Looking at the relevant Law 5, I can understand the reasoning. It is actually pretty definitive.

    Decisions will be made to the best of the referee's ability according to the Laws of the Game and the 'spirit of the game' and will be based on the opinion of the referee who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.

    The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.

    The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭adaminho


    You are confusing Match rules and Tournament rules. They were punished for breaching tournament rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I have seen a fair few actually intelligent pundits pointing to this rule and the African Champions League final where CAS uphold the refs correct on field decision to award a forfeit.

    God knows which way this will actually end up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I was just repeating what a pundit had said. Perhaps he is wrong, but I can still see the room for doubt there.

    • Tournament rules say the penalty for leaving the field unauthorized is a forfeit of the game.
    • So, by tournament rules the referee should have applied a forfeit and awarded the game to Morocco.
    • But, the referee did not apply that rule, he did not follow rule 82, instead he continued the match.
    • And since the refs decision is final, he had the power to do that and so his decision should be followed.

    This isn't something I care much about but I can see the logical chain there. I can certainly see why this will be appealed, I know I would be arguing the case strongly in Senegals shoes.

    As an aside, I hope Senegal do lose. AFCON is considered a 2nd tier competition because of crap like they pulled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭adaminho


    It's not up to the referee to apply tournament rules though. If for example Senegal had played an ineligible player it's not up the referee to flag that and would be dealt with by the Federation. They'll try appeal it and tbh I can't see them having much joy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    But this tournament rule does require the referee to apply it. The ref is no bystander for this one, he needs to decide if the team left the ground unauthorised or not. Leaving the ground unauthorised means game abandonment.

    And in this case, he decided to restart the game. He clearly did not consider the game to have been abandoned. And if the ref did not consider the game to have been abandoned, and the refs decision is final, then do the federation even have a rule breach that needs to be sanctioned?

    My only real point here is that this is not necessarily an open and shut case, there is something there for a blood sucking lawyer to build a case on. Like regulation 23.10 for example

    23.10 But once the match is started, it is exclusively the
    prerogative of the referee to decide of the suspension or the total stop of the match
    for any of the reasons stipulated in Law 5 of the laws of the game

    Law 5 does have mention of abandonment and specifically restart after abandonment, so does 23.10 of the CAF regulations imply that law 5 of the FIFA laws takes precedence over CAF regulation 82?

    I don't know, but somebody will probably have fun finding out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    In the 1976 AFCON final, Morocco played Guinea and Morocco won. However, they won after going off the pitch for 15 mins because they thought that they were getting unfair treatment from the referee. Could we possibly see Morocco ending up losing that one? Apparently Guinea are preparing a case. This has opened up a big tin of worms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭csirl


    The big failing here seems to be that it looks like the rules were not applied on the day. I remember watching it live and thinking how come the officials arent simply applying whatever rule applies to refusing to play on. This isnt 100% on the referee. At a final of that statutre, there would be multiple tournament officials on hand who can check the rule and advise accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,408 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    There's more significance in the word "looser" and "loser". That typo is rather unfortunate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,801 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'd be inclined to forgive the on the day part given it was a final. Could have caused crowd trouble etc. but it should have been corrected 10am the next day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Feels like it needs a GAA solution!

    i.e. not in the rule book, but the fairest outcome.

    Senegal have to be punished, but just awarding Morocco the cup is relatively meaningless. So the answer is a replay, in Morocco, but the 10 players who were playing for Senegal at the time and left the field (i.e. all but Mane) are banned and the manager is banned.

    So if Morocco win they get to do it on the pitch, celebrate in front of their fans, and it's meaningful. If they can't beat a weakened Senegal team, then so be it, they don't deserve it. Finding a date in the calendar wouldn't be easy, but not impossible either.



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