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F1 2026 - Round 3 - Japan - Suzuka 🇯🇵

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭TheRona


    We're seeing in fastest driver in the car that can best exploit the current rules and regulations, just like every other season 🤷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    yea, i get that.

    Are these the best type of cars that I want to see racing, I suppose is what I am settling on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Anyway, Merc running away with things so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Pretty underwhelming qualifying, hopefully this is a sign of things to come for Antonelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,424 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    I think this fundamentally misses the issues with these regs. Performance management, whether it’s tyre, fuel management has always been part of the sport. And this has always been an engineering sport. Where whoever games the system best, pretty much wins. But I don’t remember a time where the drivers had to actively drive so much slower to get faster laps. These cars are completely energy starved. What’s worse is the drivers can’t physically discern the parameters within the car to maximise lap time. Eg whether throttle response is 95 vs 96% to engage power delivery conditions in the software. There’s been some measures to address this in qualifying, but it’s an terrible spectacle for the sport. I’m convinced we’re going to see a whole lot less onboards with power delivery/live speeds this year.

    I’ve watching F1 since 88, and this is the biggest load of BS I’ve seen in all that time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Verstappen qualified for poll in 2025 a little under 2s faster than Antonelli today. This is the third race in. It’s hardly a crisis. Mercedes have a head start but others will catch up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    NB surely the tire debacle and the non existant US Grand Prix was a bigger problem, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,264 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Well that has to be one of the most boring qualifying sessions ever at Suzuka. I blame my internet saying Antonelli had a big crash ffs. It was the crash from Oz ffs. Not that I wanted him to crash but ye that ruined it for me.

    Thats and the new cars with there clipping ye just no fun seeing them going into the esses now they look slow.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭TheRona


    My attitude is that it's a new formula, and the racing has been good so far, so I'm optimistic that things will improve as tweaks are made to the rules, and teams converge in performance through development.

    Maybe I'm getting a bit old, but I don't see the point in bitching and moaning constantly, or being yet another person saying something ridiculous like 'bring back V10's'.

    Like most people, I'm not a huge fan of the new rules. I'm less of a fan of the constant moaning about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I find myself agreeing with both of you.

    It's a bit of a mess but Formula 1 has a habit of finding solutions so we probably need to be patient and see how it develops.

    Already we're seeing McLaren and Ferrari make progress against the Mercedes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,424 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,424 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Yes, they’re gaining a better understanding of how to deploy the limited power. This doesn’t make up for the fact that those gains necessitate drivers under driving the cars. It’s anathema to what F1 is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Qualifying is certainly problematic. As has been mentioned before, there has been an element of performance management in races for a long time now. So it's less jarring there.

    Formula 1 can't just continue with ICE solely, I don't think it's acceptable in the current climate (change).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I know there is plenty wrong with the new regs, but I will say the unpredictable reliability is very, very welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Quali was a fair reflection of the field this weekend.

    no in-car footage again during quali, whereas in FP and you could really feel and hear the cars bog down long before 130R, through to the chicane.

    They just need to find a way to make the reg’s feel less constraining - you can’t be lapping 2sec slower than last year and consider it the peak of motorsport.

    indeed Bearman was 10th in quali last year with a 1:27:8. Pole today was 1:28:8.

    whatever way you cut it the FIA know they’ve got a lot of work to do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭17larsson


    FIA know it's an issue as they instruct the directors to cut away from cockpit view when the harvesting starts and instruct the commentators/analysts to not talk negatively about it.

    So everyone knows it's a pile of ****, just depends what they decide to do to fix it now because lifting on straights and fast corners is the exact opposite of F1 is supposed to be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I’m not sure it’s a pile of s**t, just yet anyway!, but I totally agree that it feels like driver bravery & mechanical grip are far less important in these cars, which is a big problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    People want the basics of driving a race car to stay the same so we can have some sort of yardstick to compare, let's say Senna to Verstappen, yes the cars evolve, the technology improves, but at the end of the day we want to see the art of racing remaining consistent. It's nigh on impossible to imagine how 20th century drivers would cope with these cars.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    agree to disagree so. The tire debacle majorly set back F1 especially in the states. This isn’t remotely going to affect viewing numbers sponsorship etc. I suppose you could switch to another sport if you don’t like it anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    They just need to find a way to make the reg’s feel less constraining - you can’t be lapping 2sec slower than last year and consider it the peak of motorsport.

    This point I don't really understand. It has regularly happened that cars are slower when new regulations were introduced. All the teams get a handle on it and we're back up to speed again before long.

    This isn't anything new.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭17larsson


    The new part is slowing down halfway through a straight and cruising round high speed corners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭Jaffa3000


    It’s not racing it’s Mario Kart. They only overtake at the start due to each other having depleted batteries.

    When stupid rules are introduced, people will complain and viewership will decline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Any quick Google search shows f1 audience keeps increasing. The new engines might not please some but I highly doubt people turn away in droves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Is preserving your battery really any different to preserving your tyres?

    (I know preserving tyres doesn't much affect straight line performance.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Yes when it has to be done on every lap, even in qualifying.

    With the new regs, we won't even get the great qualifying laps we've seen before, like Max last year at Suzuka. Laps where a driver goes flat out and gets everything perfect to put a car on pole will be a thing of the past.

    It's not possible to go all out for even one single lap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Don’t get use to that though. We saw the same in the 2014 change, ultimately that was all fixed. Same will happen here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    More drivers pointing out, that if you push hard in the corners, you ultimately go slower.

    How folks are fine or defending this is really beyond me. Fast corners are prime for charging the battery now, no longer can they push to the limit or they just lose out badly on the straights. As challenging F1 should be, it’s not a challenge to driver fast in a straight line. It never has been.

    The race is probably not too much of an issue, they have to manage a lot with tires etc, but qualy is anaemic now. You see it now with the onboards purposely cutting away when the engine dies off…

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    ^ this is what I want to see. Ragged edge, on the limit for one lap to put it all on the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,302 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'll be interested to see what it's like at Silverstone, where most of the race is spent flat out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Suzuka is very like Silverstone in some aspects. I’d expect more of the same.



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