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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Israelis dont believe regime change is possible now. Quite the opposite.

    Netanyahu said frustrated that Mossad promise it could instigate Iran uprising has fallen short | The Times of Israel

    Netanyahu said frustrated that Mossad promise it could instigate Iran uprising has fallen short.

    NYT says in leadup to war, spy agency touted plans to instigate mass resistance that could trigger regime’s collapse; instead, rulers have dug in and revolution appears unlikely

    Iran's regime was teetering. This war could be keeping it from collapse | The Times of Israel

    Iran’s regime was teetering. This war could be keeping it from collapse.

    Rather than accelerate a change of leadership, Israeli and US strikes may have helped harden the resolve of those whose defection would be key to bringing down the Islamic Republic, experts say

    It reinforces the futility of the war. It's now even more aimless than ever.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You seems to be bit unaware of things in global perspective. These fantasies about nuclear armed ally swooping in may be just that. Fantasies. Pakistan would not throw in their army at Iran as that would cost them way more than Saudis can pay for and end result will be India taking a chance to finally get Kashmir and then some. You seems to be a strategist of "Trump quality".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Blitz Spirit in live action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    further A-10's moving east, along with AC-130's… definitely some ground manouvers being planned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The sooner people power bring democracy to the royalty regimes in the Middle-East, the better. Maryam al-Khawaja.

    https://thecradle.co/articles/bahraini-activist-tortured-to-death-in-detention-over-opposition-to-us-israeli-war-on-iran

    Bahraini police released the body of Mohammad al-Mousawi to his family on 27 March, days after detaining him at a checkpoint and torturing him to death for opposing the US-Israeli war on Iran.

    A graphic video circulated online of Mousawi’s corpse at the local morgue, showing signs of torture all over his face, legs, arms, and feet.

    According to Maryam al-Khawaja, a Bahraini-Danish Human Rights Defender, Mousawi previously spent 12 years in prison. He was released in 2024 but was arrested a few days ago at a checkpoint.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Only those in denial and whom not learned anything about how Trump and Israel operate these days, or not paying attention to wars in Sudan or Syria or Ukraine or Lybia, are unable to admit to themselves where this quagmire is going now that Venezuela style change failed

    We going down the path where Iran will be turned into worse version of Syria, with every one of their neighbours piling in and internal minorities balkanising and turning into a civil war with multiple parties fighting over the corpse of Persia

    From the average Iranians point of view this is gonna endup as the absolute worst case scenario, especially since Saudis and Gulf states have deep pockets to flood the place with weapons and mercenaries while Israel and US systematically dismantle any infrastructure needed for a functioning modern country

    It’s gonna get bleak, which is why those cheering on Irans stupid policy of attacking their neighbours will come to regret that ill thought out strategy, this ain’t a football match



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That 2nd strike at Prince Sultan also managed to take out an E3 AWACS.
    When the Russians lost their A-50 AWACS to Ukrainian SAMs aswell as the recent loss of 1 in MRO?
    It was an indication of operational naiveté and borderline stupidity.
    I wonder what the Americans excuse will be?

    I've also not seen much mainstream reporting of Iran's claimed heavy attack on forward deployed elements of the 82nd Airborne in Kuwait.
    Multiple reports based on Iranian sourcing of strike there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Iran needs a lot of opening up and liberalisation but a major problem is that Israel is an existential threat to Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If Bibi can't bring about regime change, his second option is probably to turn a weakened Iran into a failed state with factional infighting. So it may be what seemed like an effective strategy by Iran in the short term, ends up being an own goal long term. It seems clear the Americans are buying time before launching some sort of ground operation to seize Kharg or open the strait. The killing of Iran's navy chief and a few of his potential successors could be significant in that regard. Having said all that the fact this regime has survived for 47 years indicates two things: there is support for it and it is far more resilient than Donnie and Hesgeth thought thus far. Although they were probably warned about this but in their hubris ignored it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @banie01

    We know there are 5 damaged KC135s at a minimum and despite the line of tankers currently active?

    The loss of 5 airframes impacts operational readiness, attrition and standby availability.

    You more than most posters should be aware of that.”

    You are making an assumption that you know why they are all actually there, and you obviously don’t. Look at that same radar picture from 6 months ago or even 2 year ago.

    Even Trump acknowledged that they were damaged, 1 badly and 4 not so badly, do any of us know how many of these are back flying and doing their original mission?

    Post edited by smurfjed on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Sort of unsurprising that the tortured toddler in Gaza was a false story. What's the phrase, a lie spans the world while the truth is getting it's boots on?

    This one embeds:

    https://honestreporting.com/how-a-false-tortured-toddler-narrative-spread-unchecked/

    links to

    (https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-denies-reports-of-abuse-of-gaza-toddler-says-father-used-him-as-a-human-shield/)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    IMG_0161.jpeg

    One really has to ask who are the Iranians actally at war with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    A massive failed state like that would bring more terrorists and displaced millions.

    What boggles me is that the US senior leadership didn't even try to assess the different scenarios that attacking Iran during negotiations could trigger. I mean history would show that Iran would try and block Hormuz yet the US seemed surprised. Israel are happy because they can work away in Lebanon and Syria and Gaza without anyone watching but the US administration looks absolutely infantile. Not just Trump, all of them look like headless simpletons.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Delusional.

    You believe that amount of people were killed with small arms fire over that period of time and just 75000 were killed by Israel over three years dropping the equivalent of several hiroshimas on Gaza totally destroying all infrastructure and there's only around 1000 dead in Iran through 24/7 bombing by the strongest military in the world, joined by 24/7 bombing by Israel known for targeting civilian infrastructure including schools and hospitals.

    Totally delusional. You believe any Israeli/US sponsored BS western media will throw at you. It's nonsense in the same way there's half a dozen Israelis and US solider killed during this conflict and the USS Gerard Ford is out of service for over a year because of a fire in the laundry. Another one for the ignore list. Try critical thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    What a dubious website to be relying on for that. So the IDF denied that it was torture and instead was caused by the father using him as a human shield. They could have thrown in terror tunnels and would have had a full bingo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Why they are all actually there?
    Well if not in support of aircraft flying operations across the middle east?
    Then of course they are really just expensive decorations to make the apron look nice...

    Why do you think they are there?
    What's the purpose of an inflight refuelling tanker?
    Or indeed an AWACs?

    Will yesterday's 2nd strike that took out further tankers aswell as at least one E3 have an impact on operational tempo?

    Or will you have some other non sequiter point to make?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    It's clear. The US. Those countries have the command and control centres that are responsible for the attacks on Iran. Don't you get that it. Those countries are used as human shields so people like you say that.

    Israel and the US is responsible for all of this. There is no grey area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    The GCC can't have it both ways, being neutral while hosting a military power that attacks Iran.

    It does highlight though that most US support is about being a backstop against domestic discontent. 15 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's, none were Afghani's, Iraqis or Iranians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    This is the Saudi port of YENBO, on google maps you can see the refinery attached to it. Presently they are pumping close to 4.5-5 million barrels per day into that port, the pipeline apparently has a max capacity of 7.5 mbpd, but the thing is that there isnt actually that amount of oil exported per day, Saudi themselves use about 3-4 mbpd in their own infrastructure, a lot of which is used to produce drinking water.

    The red dots are fuel tankers, you can look at their draught and see if they are empty or full and even assess which type of tanker they are, for example sueztankers which can traverse the canal usually carry a limit of 1 million barrels, the VLCC tankers destined for asia take about 2 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭csirl


    BTW, has the Irish government asked the Iranians if a few tankers of refined oil/gas/petol etc destined for Ireland can pass through the Straits of Hormuz?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm not interested in "downplaying" anything. I'm interested in fact, and the fact is that there's no validity in this 30,000+ estimate that was jumped on immediately and that still gets repeated by certain types because the actual accounted for figure of 7000+, by the organisation you cited, isn't enough for them.

    As of the end of February, HRANA accounted for 7007 confirmed deaths total because they were taking the names of all the dead. That is NOWHERE near these nonsensical 30,000, 33,000 or 36,000 figures that's getting tossed around.

    And even if the 11,000+ that were still being investigated at that point were all to be confirmed dead (which won't be the case) it STILL wouldn't be near this 30,000 number, no matter how many times it gets repeated by spoofers and bad faith posters.

    So far the ONLY figure that's been confirmed in any way because of actual counting has been 7007, as I've previously stated to another wind up merchant…

    here…

    here…

    and here…

    The trouble for human rights orgs like HRA/HRANA is that now there's a illegal war raging in Iran because two twats, that should be behind bars, thought it would be a great idea to use their toys and that's going to make accurate accounting for the dead in the protests at the beginning of the year even more difficult than it was before, if not impossible.

    There are also numbers of people being arrested by the regime as this war continues and some of them are being executed as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Speedline




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Good to be getting rid of a regime like that in any case isn't it. Pity the other one, Israel wasn't being cornered in the same way. But the toothless rest of the world sit by again twiddling their thumbs. Shout illegality all you like, Russia, Israel, the US, march on. Who decides what's legal and illegal? Does it make any difference? Is it just an opinion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    The fact that both sides in this war are murderous fascists seems to be beyond a lot of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    All the bases in the area had a large build up of US military assets in the region, all of them claimed they would not allow it's airspace to be used. Now they act all sweet and innocent and cry the victim.

    The Chinese satellites released everything on a daily basis for everyone to see.

    saudi.jpg

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ::

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Norway and UK. We don't get any oil from the middle east but global oil prices still impact our costs.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Good to be getting rid of a regime like that in any case isn't it

    Except that isn't what this war is about and the regime isn't going anywhere. All this idiotic, and yes illegal war has done is stiffen the resolve of the clerical leadership and unite the Iranians against an outside aggressor.

    There are no differing of opinions in a foxhole when you're being bombarded by a common enemy and you're merely trying not to get killed.

    The US and Israel have probably set back genuine, organic, regime change in Iran by years with their stupid war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    As i said, look at satellite photos going back years and you might be surprised to see that they were there for another reason.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    puts on the leftie self loathing beret


    “we don’t deserve oil because we are heathen infidels who have McDonnalds and let planes from US land in our airport”



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