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Should DCC close Bull Island?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,646 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    No, what I’m saying is there are now so many exceptions to what dogs and their owners perceive to be acceptable that the only way round this is one rule for all.
    There are people out there that think picking up poo and then leaving the bag behind is acceptable behaviour. That’s the mentality that needs to be tackled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    On lead, off lead, they'll still leave shlt behind them, they're scumbags. I'd encourage anybody witnessing it to call them out while recording on their phone. They really really don't like it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,646 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    I’ve yet to spot one. Sneaky feckers. God help them when I do. I’ve years of pent up anger to hurl at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The wintering birds don’t know they’re in a sanctuary they fly off regularly to parks, playing fields and grass where they apparently feel perfectly safe despite being surrounded by people going about their daily lies.

    They vote with their wings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They kind of do know they're in a sanctuary when there's not an over excited pooch chasing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    They fly to St. Anne's Park, Alfie Byrne Roag and Sutton and are more accessible to pooches and their larger cousins. Can't say I've ever seen a pooch or any dog, on the salt marshes in all my years cycling past.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what's that got to do with the issues at hand? you see wintering birds - brent geese maybe - but what has that got to do with disturbance of breeding birds? which is one of the main issues mentioned in the article in the OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just keep the pesky pooches out of the bird sanctuary.

    The birds will take it from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Yeah, they get great grazing on all the pitches but the salt marshes on Bull Island is the reason the Brent geese are here at all. It’s their winter food source, glasswort, sea plantain, saltmarsh grasses, all high energy superfood for geese they need after flying from the Arctic and to get them back. It’s also one of the few places they can feed safely without constant disturbance (or should be able to do so), which matters because every time they’re flushed they’re burning energy they can’t afford to lose.

    Take away or disturb the salt marsh and you don’t just move the geese on, you reduce their chances of making it back north.

    I'm on the Island every week, multiple times and I see dogs in the salt marshes all the time, there's massive amount of dog shlt along the golf clubs fences on either side of the causeway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    They must love those pooches, keep following them home to Sutton and elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're not listening.

    The birds know what they're doing just leave them to it.

    It won't interfere with your cycling anyway.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'hello, i don't know what i'm talking about and i'm here to tell you all about it'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,985 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    it’s been an amenity I’ve enjoyed since childhood right up to and through adulthood to the present day.

    Never brought a dog there, never drove illegally or dangerously, never left rubbish about the place……which is id imagine the same as 99% of people using and enjoying the area.

    So let’s punish 100% of the people when a minute percentage of people are responsible. 🥱… Something very 2026 Ireland about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The OP IT article would give you the impression that the popularity of Bull Island is some kind of recent development but Dollymount Strand. including the sand dunes, has been a north side public amenity for over a century since the wooden bridge was constructed in the early years of the 20th century..

    The biggest change was the building of the Raheny causeway to facilitate cars in the early 1960s which curiously the article doesn't highlight. There certainly could be a case made to close the causeway or make it only accessible by cyclists and pedestrians but that's not going to happen either.

    It's all pie in the sky stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭donaghs


    In terms of protecting the hares, could a dog-proof fence around some of the dunes be one answer? until we can get some kind of dog rules enforcement.

    I like dogs, and i understand why people like walking them off leads, and that most dog owners are responsible - but there are enough bad ones, who's dog are off the lead, wandering around **** everywhere. while owners are oblivious, or pretending to be. Psycho dogs off the leads are also often a hazard to other dogs - despite their owners assurances "he grand", "hes only playing" etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The coffee shop has brought a lot more visitors to the Wooden Bridge end, but that crowd are probably less likely to be the sort to go into the dunes \ disturbing wildlife.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I'm with you, love dogs, know they need off lead socialisation and exercise but not in the dune system, the salt marshes or the whole Sutton tail end of the island. The dunes are constantly shifting so fencing is hard and they impact on the wildlife too. It's purely down to asshole dog owners, catching and fining is the only solution. Constant patrolling, drones, bodycams, etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,511 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Yes, it’s constantly shifting. There’s a strong tidal flow between Sutton and the island, particularly on a spring tide, and it steadily eats away at the sand. But then it seems to build itself back up again every so often.

    During the Southerly storm surges & spring tides earlier this year, the island was nearly breached in half along the Raheny side. It really showed how dynamic it is and how quickly things can change out there, it was back to it's original state pretty soon.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    just curious about how many public spaces like that do not allow dogs (except guide dogs, obviously).

    the botanic gardens is one example; but is a different beast to bull island as the gardens have managed opening hours.



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