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Employer / HR having a photocopy of your passport?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Weren't you working for a travel agent? Why would a travel agent jeopardise their business by misusing your passport?

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    What I am struggling is at my age over 50 how bad work has become and how many lies are being told.

    Health and well being blabber from HR but having to tolerate excessively loud music? ( Just turn down the music and I have all the well being in the world…)

    Sorry, but I wasn't built for that, it's often beyond my capabilites.

    Diversity and inclusion and endless blabber about gays and lesbians, but the older grey harid white man not wanted? At age 50 sexuality is certainly something else than for those in their 20ies or 30ies.

    All things not having anything to do anymore with the task at hand and why I was hired.

    Even worse employees working or wanting to work for a cruise travel company but not even knowing basic facts about geography endlessly dragging out the training objective is a bit of a nightmare, - that together with the ultra-low salary.

    I honestly don't have much understanding for all that. I am happy to keep my mouth shut on certain things, but if it's something that prevents me from doing the actual job from being hired, then that's an issue and a big one.

    Back when I joined the workfoce in the early 90ies all these things were not even remotely an issue. ( They would back then have fired the colleague who excessively displayed his homosexuality or played extra loud music in the office or lacked basic knowledge in an industry he or she wanted to work in….) Now it's all the other way around.

    You may understand this or not.

    But that's all besides the point, if it's about passport / documents the employer holds on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I had to provide a passport scan as part of the company’s ISO compliance procedures. Didn’t think much of it at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Ah yes, those poor straight, white, middle-aged men. A tragically repressed, underrepresented and overlooked demographic in the workplace...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,870 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Legal obligations and actual practices often don't meet in the middle in reality.

    OP, have you ever spoken to a medic about paranoid thoughts?

    To thine own self be true



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Why didn't you just put on a headset or earmuffs. My office is open plan and I don't particularly like the loudness but I just stick on headphones when it gets annoying.

    You also could have asked your colleagues could you turn it down before going to HR. You could have asked you manager to move desks before going to HR.

    They aren't going to do anything with your passport photo, worst case it sits on a HD they forget to delete it off, best case they delete it routinely after X amount of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Apparently it couldn't be turned down. It was sort of centrally managed. I don't know why this was the way it was.

    What I was unaware at the time is that there are apparently headsets around, which can completely block the sound.

    The headset I was given by the company, I had even difficulty understanding the other party in a conference call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭skallywag


    I've had to provide a passport copy for every full time job I have had. I have never had an issue with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭khamilton


    This, as well as a lot of information in this thread about retention, is inaccurate. A requirement to retain financial information isn't the same as a requirement to retain information used to provide the financial information, as anyone who works in the area will be aware. HR records that provide the information underpinning financial data will remain as HR records, not financial records.

    The employer also isn't required to keep proof of right to work for EU/EEA citizens, they are only required to keep proof of right to work for non EU/EEA citizens (5 years or duration of employment). Retention for the former should be clearly set out in the company's data retention policy, and regardless of what's in the policy, must adhere to GDPR rules on storage minimisation/retention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Lads this job was in the UK so there's absolutely zero point debating Irish/EU/GDPR legislation in relation to his passport being on record.

    In addition the poster has some… eccentric tendencies, shall we say, so it's probably not even worth talking about in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It's probably not worth discussing this with somebody like yourself. And as said, the role was too junior anyway, too poorly paid. And for that being forced to listen to loud rap and chart music isn't really a choice. It's degrading to say the least, leaving one to think how low have I fallen, besides not even being able to do the job properly due to lack of understanding/hearing others…..

    Sadly this can only end in an argument. And somebody having your passport as an exact copy behaving that way, is a bit scary, especially in times of identity theft and all that….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Leaving aside the fact that this is not your first employment issue, exactly what nefarious shenanigans are you concerned this employer might get up to with a copy of your passport? Given they already also have waaaaaay more personal information about you such as your name, address, whatever the UK equivalent of a PPSN is, and all your bank details...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,870 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Can't you count your luck so if this role was too junior for you.

    Maybe the rap music was a blessing in disguise.

    Gives you a chance now to dust yourself off and apply for roles that better suit your expectations.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    No quite sure how you think you can know that!

    My comments are based on the advice given by Compliance experts in the company I'm working in. They get the fun job of looking at a whole range of laws, and deciding on what we actually do in practise based on this.

    I'm not going into too specifics here - the industry is too small.

    But it's similar to health services. Think what happens when a concern is raised about a surgeon. There is an absolute expectation that current and previous employers can identify patients who they treated, and details of those treatments - and the pre-employment checks done on the individual. Doing this needs at a minimum the doctor's registration number. In practice, a lot more needs to be kept, because there's no way to separate out their name form their signature, for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Assuming this fear you have is genuine, why do you think a company would misuse your passport just because they have a culture were loud music is played in the workplace and pays poorly? I don't see a link.

    They seem like a large enough organisation if they have mass inductions/trainings as you described and if the music is centrally controlled. Why do you think they would resort to some kind of illegal retaliatory behaviour because some guy wasn't a culture fit and left? They probably have a regular turnover of staff if its low paid and they predominantly hire young people starting on their work path.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    The truth is, they never thought about him again after the last pay cheque went out and they got a replacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I'd say they do think about and talk about him, all workplaces have had that very odd staff member who the office never forgets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Why do I think that? Well of one does these kind of dodgy things, one will or might do other dodgy things. And then one reads so much about identity theft however these thoughts might be overthinking things. And on identity theft the creativity of the criminal mind seems endless and beyond believe for those of us with a normal way of thinking.

    And then there are all sorts of games they could try, like pretend I am me, call up the passport office and report the passport as stolen, it then get's cancelled and if the real me is at passport control, I'd face certain issues……

    Not beyond the possibility, I think, however I doubt that they'd do that.

    And yes it was in general a way younger crowd, and yes some of the other older employees also didn't like that music thing.

    In the end, I see it this way, I was hired for a specific task and this on grounds of a certain experience and track record. I clearly wasn't hired to do this kind of job in an environment where I could hardly speak at normal volume to a colleague sitting around 2 meters away from me or even worse having trouble understanding somebody in a video conference.

    From a legal and contract point of view the employer clearly failed.

    The only thing I can say to those who are in favour of chart music and that level of loudness, is that if 50 people want something and the 51st one doesn't then he either needs to accept or go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    So because they did non illegal annoying things like that, in a completely upfront way, you think they would engage in identity theft or deliberately cancel your passport for the kicks?

    You need help.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    You also need help. To me it's completely normal to think, what else could they do. Identity theft isn't a completely new and unknown thing.

    I'd say the discussion is a bit pointless with your attitude.

    I'd suggest you apply for a rather technical role and try to do that job with chart and rap music and a strong bass sound blaring at your where you can hardly think clearly and not even participate in a video conference properly.

    If you think that's normal or within the scope of anybody's capability you clearly need help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    That's two separate things. I would hate to work in that environment, and would leave.

    What you are specifically asking is whether this company is going to misuse your passport since you left on bad terms, mainly you think out of spite. A large or even medium corporation is not going to risk their reputation by doing something illegal like that. It's completely bizarre to even contemplate it.

    Trust me, you're not that important.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Newbie12345The


    Always one who are insufferable, alienates themselves and says its not me, its them, good luck to the next place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I thought of exactly that possibility that they had my passport details in form of digital compies and would misuse that, just out of spite. I may have been wrong with that thought and hope that I am totally wrong about this thought.

    And belive me it's very very hard even impossible for me to work on a technical and mathematically analytical matter whilst chart music and rap music isn't only playing, it's blaring with a strong base sound.

    In the end, factually said, I was hired for a job, not for liking or not liking or being able to work to that loud music.

    Post edited by tinytobe on


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