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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    There has been one attack on an Iranian school. A Tomahawk was used. It higly unlikely that a Tomahawk would be launched from one of the GCC countries. So yes, in the case quoted a link would definitely be useful to prove such an unlikely event happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    always dangerous to say iran has the aces when they are up against two nuclear powers one of which has upped its "defence" budget to 1.5 trillion dollars

    the people of iran werent out on the streets back in January dying in their thousands for no good reason- the regime there cant afford the war to drag on either irans economy isnt exactly star of the month



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    One thing to add in regard to gold price dump. No gold is moving, physical gold is being held. Everyone left and right is dumping paper gold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭thomil


    Money isn’t everything. You need to be able to translate that money into actual military force. And to put it bluntly, the US has been piss poor in that regard over the last two decades, particularly when it comes to naval and amphibious issues. The Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers are one symptom, being behind schedule and over budget. Partially to compensate for the lack of available carrier flight decks, the first two ships of the America class of amphibious assault ships, USS America and USS Tripoli, were redesigned with a larger hangar and more extensive aviation facilities to act as light carriers if needed. Even with those two however, the Navy has been forced to keep the venerable old USS Nimitz in operation beyond its planned decommissioning date just to have one extra flight deck available.

    The escort fleet meanwhile is entirely based around the Arleigh Burke class destroyer as the development program for the next generation of surface warships turned into massive quagmires. The DD(X) program for the next generation of large surface warship went from 32 hulls to just three in the shape of the Zumwalt class, which is saddled with gun turrets for a gun system that was cancelled and supposed to be replaced with a railgun system that was subsequently also cancelled.

    The Littoral Combat Ship program, meant to provide smaller warships for maritime policing and frigate like workloads, meanwhile did at least result in a significant number of hulls being produced, and replaced the last of the US Navy’s Perry class frigates. However, these are hamstrung by structural issues and a lack of mission specific hardware and weapons modules. The Constellation class of frigates was supposed to remedy this whilst also being more cost-effective due to being based off of the existing Bergamini class frigate of the Italian Navy. However, this project too began encountering mission creep and cost overruns, resulting in the planned run of 20 ships being cut back to two. On the bright side, one of the two surviving ships is slated to be named USS Congress, so the US might actually end up with a congress that actually does something for a change!

    A new development program, FF(X), has now been started to replace the replacement of the replacement, and there are plans for up to 50 ships of this new class, based on a US Coast Guard cutter. However, as it stands, their weapons and sensor fits look like they might be inferior even to the LCS units! I’m not even going to touch on the ongoing maintenance issues that have even existing units tied up in port for months, if not years.

    This decades long clusterf*ck has resulted in a fleet that is nowhere near large enough for any sustained war, not without neglecting other regions of interest to the US, and also lacks crucial mine clearance and ASW capabilities! Don’t get me wrong, the US Navy is still a considerable force, but it is nowhere near the nigh-on undefeatable juggernaut that it looks like or once was.

    And the fact of the matter is that cruise missiles and air power alone don’t win wars. They can prepare the battlefield, but you’re still going to need naval forces to secure shipping lanes and supply routes, and land forces to secure choke points and strategic locations. The US didn’t win during Desert Storm because of air power, they won because air power enabled the ground forces to do their job. They didn’t beat Saddam’s army in 2003 because of air power, but because their ground forces could operate without any real threat from the air, in an area that made large scale ground operations comparatively easy. That latter situation in particular is not the case with Iran. Raids against islands? Sure. Securing Kharg Island? Possibly, I mean, it doesn’t violate any known law of physics. Anything beyond that is a recipe for disaster.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Where do you get your news, Iranian state TV?

    Since the start of this you've been regularly posting about how "it seems that", "reports are saying", "it looks like", "people on X are saying" to preface radically unrealistic apocalyptic visions of Israel being in total ruins, the IDF falling apart, Israel weighing up using nuclear weapons to stave off impending defeat, etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Eh …. because their goal is to stop Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing … the wipe them off the face of the earth is just zionist BS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    It does not say in your post that it is anything to with defending Europe. It is for more Israeli aggression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Reports too that the IDF are hugely stretched because of having to fight wars on so many fronts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01




    There are multiple reports that the IDF Chief of Staff has warned that the IDF is in crisis.
    His warning was raised at cabinet yesterday and leaked to the media.
    There are already calls in Israel for the leaker to be executed as a traitor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    You obviously didn’t read it because I’m very curious as to how iron dome defence interceptors {Germany wants to build and use from these factories going out of business thanks to China} can be used for “aggression”

    Post edited by bored65 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Very serious development if true and further reinforcement of the notion that Israel routinely targets the negotiators and decision makers.
    An Israeli strike appear to have targeted the Pakistani Ambassador in Tehran.
    If this can be confirmed as a deliberate attack?
    It's not only an effort to derail negotiations, it's a direct attack on the ambassador of a nuclear armed state.

    20 minutes to US markets closing bell and we will no doubt discover shortly afterwards as to what Trump & Israel have planned for the weekend.
    Just what does he have in mind for the 2 MEUs, the 82nd Airborne's advanced brigade and every SOF operator the US have been able to ship into the Gulf.

    Edit
    Ignore my market bell comment, I thought tmrw was good Friday🤦

    Post edited by banie01 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Not so according to the Pakistani newspaper Dawn. Are the US markets closed tomorrow for some reason?

    Live Updates: War returns to Iran with Israel, US strikes - DAWN.COM

    34 minutes ago

    Pakistan embassy in Tehran not targeted but neighbourhood where it is located bombed heavily: sources

    A diplomatic source in Tehran has confirmed to Dawn that the Pakistan embassy and the Pakistan House in the Iranian capital have not been targeted.

    He said this in response to a query about reports circulating on social media that there had been bombing near the embassy and the Pakistan House.

    “The Pakistan embassy and Pakistan House in Tehran were not targeted. Their neighbourhoods — Fatimid and Pasdaran — were bombed heavily. The embassy had been operating from a location outside Tehran since the start of the war, but the staff had returned for the March 23 ceremony,” the source told Dawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Appreciate the link to the dawn report 👍
    And lapsed catholic that I am...

    I thought good Friday was tmrw 🤦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    israelis seem to think trump is on for ground invasion - he may have no choice at this rate

    Trump believes a ground invasion of Iran will force Tehran to capitulate (times of israel)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Will Israel send any of their troops into Iran to liberate it I wonder, or leave the honour all to their US allies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I read that earlier and like another Israeli article someone posted earlier, I suspect it's wishful thinking. It would take the Americans till next autumn to assemble the ground force necessary for a full invasion. Both wars on Iraq were preceded by months of buildup. Trump has barely begin the process. And there's the midterms.

    Here's another Times of Israel article that may be a little more on the nose:-

    Iran's regime was teetering. This war could be keeping it from collapse | The Times of Israel

    Changing the situation, Goldstone estimated, would only be possible if the military defected, but neither air cover for the opposition nor strategic targeting of the regime is enough to do the job. Outside force usually hardens resistance instead of breaking it, and without military defections, unarmed protesters cannot overthrow the regime, according to Goldstone’s assessment.

    A more likely way for war to break a regime would be a ground campaign severe enough to cause military collapse, yet the idea appears implausible for now. Kurdish forces or exiles appear unlikely to achieve internal organization. For the US, such an invasion appears politically impossible, as it raises fears of prolonged occupation and insurgency similar to those in Iraq or Afghanistan.“People [in the US] would rather live with what’s left of the Islamic Republic than put half a million troops on the ground in Iran,” said Vatanka, adding that more broadly, “it’s unlikely that Western populations would support a long, expensive, and difficult occupation.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭goldsparkle


    Apparently Trump has decided to pause the attacks on the island because the talks are going very well. Accordly to some recent article. The talks in his head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Might be another example of perfidy demonstrated by israel and the usa, standard operating practice for decades it seems.

    The geneva conventions only apply to some it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    What's the GCC ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    The IDF are a paper tiger, only good for sniping kids and raping prisoners. Faced with any sort of resistance and they fold. They stay nice and safe at home. No Israeli troops heading over to Iran. A nation of cowards, hiding behind big brother and using his weapons to bully the weak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    If you read the FT article you posted, it says the components are being made for Israel's air defence systems not for Europe's?

    Now tell me why Israel needs an Iron Dome? Is it because they want to attack their neighbours after they have put a defence in place to prevent them being vulnerable? Is that what you call self-defence or maybe even an existential threat?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    I'm sure the neighbourhood was full of IRGC and missile launchers hiding amongst the civilians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Surely Hegseth has to be an easy target to be the first American brought before the Hague. You have the boats off Venezuela, the school in Iran, energy infrastructure and water and now civilians.

    Who ever the next admin is won't protect him. It would set a good precedent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This gives an indication of just how disastrously the war is going for the Israelis - inflicting relatively minor damage on Iran and their own credibility and standing in the world gets shredded to pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    WSJ also reporting that Iran didn’t ask Trump to push back strikes on power plants etc for another 10 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    I cant wait to see the mental gymnastics done by the resident zio-bots here to either rubbish this away or claim the baby had a gun or a suicide vest or maybe launched a drone at hotel!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @wildgreen excellent, so having a massive supply of long range ballistic missiles was just for show, and the uranium was just there for storage. You do realise just as we can say that the USA and Israel are wrong, you can also say that Iran and their proxies are wrong.



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