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Harry Potter TV series [HBO Max]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The Cho point is actually wrong aswell as it forgets all about the Patil twins for some reason, granted they weren't huge but existed and most prominently each went to the Yule Ball in the 4th book with Harry and Ron but twitter outrage has deleted them to demonise Rowling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Ah so you're a big JK fan boy it seems.

    Fair enough, nothing will change your mind of the troll of a woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The books never had him blow things up although Seamus was definitely brought in for a lot of comic relief. The Irish can be well known internationally for being comedians. As for the names, they helped to create the character in your head. Harry and Potter are also be considered very English first and sur names for example. Is it something that needs to be changed? Questionable

    Having more black actors certainly makes sense from the POV of diversity. Not because we need more diversity in hollywood, but England would have been quite a bit more diverse in the time of Snape and Harry's fictional youths than is portrayed in the films. I'm just not sure a storyline about a black kid being bullied who then turns to fight with a right wing lunatic who uses slurs such as "mudblood" will work.

    On the other hand, is it that much of a stretch to believe that teenage James was a racist as well as an arsehole?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Just as well that's the only reason people have to "demonise" rowling, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There was obvious DEI with the Weasleys but at least the gingers weren't Oirish :)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Wanting to keep close with the book is racist now is it?

    The only thing we should really care about that woman is that she writes high quality stories. Hence why we are all here on this thread discussing the small-screen adaptation of her work

    There's plenty of English folk with ginger hair, nothing obviously DEI about it at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'm a JK fanboy for being literate and remembering the books/characters?

    I wouldn't piss on Rowling if she was on fire but that doesn't retcon the books.

    You can keep claiming the books never had the Patils and had Seamus always blowing things up if you want. Its wrong but go ahead.

    It was the same with Rings of Power when people of questionable literacy started making incorrect claims about Galadriel "from the books" when clearly they never read them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The worst thing the movies actually did was retcon Lavender Brown from a background black actress to the white Jessie Cave when she became Rons GF. She was never ethnically refered to in the books so that switch was insane.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Did you not see I edited my post, (and stated I did so) apologised in a direct reply to you for getting the book/movie issue wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You did for Seamus but when I mentioned the Patils you got pìssy and called me a fanboy and "nothing will change your mind about that troll of a woman" or was that a different Rocket_GD?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Firstly that is far from the worst thing the movies did.

    Secondly the 6th book did make a reference to not being able to tell her hands apart from Ron's because of all the cuddling they were doing, which would suggest she had the same skin colour as Ron.

    Now, for the craic, could you have made the Weasley's a black ginger family?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Book Snape was 31 or 32 in the Philosophers Stone.

    As someone who 'wants to keep close with the book', I assume it bothered you that he was portrayed by 55 year old Alan Rickman?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Lads it's all just make believe. I Mean, a Ginger with TWO friends!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    There are a lot of people fixated on the casting of Snape and clinigng to the "pale" descriptor in the book.

    It's weird. Many of them are racists and culture warriors. Many of them are dweebs who think everything needs to be 100% faithful to every word mentioned in the book. Which of the two is the majority of the cohort? I'd imagine we both know that answer.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Oh no… by casting black actors in the roles of Snape and Hermoine, actors which JK Rowling approved of, they have contradicted maybe two or three descriptive lines across the seven books…

    I mean this may as well just be considered fan-fiction at this stage because the entire premise of the movies have been irrevocably altered! The pale-skinned Snape being played by a black man is a fundamental change to his character. And now Hermione… being able to distinguish her own hand from someone else's?!

    It's an outrage. I am outraged. My rage is completely out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Well true theres dozens but having started her as black the change was utterly daft as that could easily be interpreted as they were just entangled together tbf.

    But considering Lavenders fate wasn't directly resolved in either medium she does appear to have been just overlooked quite a bit by both Rowling and directors. Its one of the hotter debated points over the years whether or not Hermione saved her life in time and even then if she DID survive whether or not Greyback turned her or just left her like Bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    She was introduced in the first movie as a minor character but only ever described in the 6th book, which wasn't written at the time of the first movie. You could argue that the daftness fell on JK who should have changed that line in the 6th book based on what was portrayed in the first movie

    Don't you know she had to go, a common theme in those books was that love interests died instead of an awkward breakup haha!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I mean the whole selling point of this is supposed to be closer to the books as theres more time so they should be able to include some of things accidentally dropped from the movies first time out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,678 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The lack of outrage regarding a non Irish actor playing Dumbledore or is very disappointing.

    Bad enough they took opportunities from Limerick actors by recasting as a West Brit but a Yank is just totally wrong. Makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I didn't see him as a 55 year old. I saw him as a 32 year old who had a hard life. In keeping with the book

    I had to take a moment and google Hermione's new actress, not quite what I'd call black to be honest but then to me the world isn't black and white. Not sure what the rest of your rant is about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    She likely died imo but the weird way its been left over after everyone else that died was explicitly confirmed dead just leaving her maimed and twitching is so amusingly weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Not necessarily the same but there was absolutely savage outrage when Affleck got Batman role. The issue for the actor playing snape in longer term won’t be skin color, it’s who he is following. He’s gonna have to try and do a ledger (after Nicholson) which is a big ask. Him being black will be irrelevant if it’s a well written role for him and he can make it work.

    I just hope they give him good material and he’s able to make the role his own. I would of been reluctant to believe anybody could do a better Snape then Rickman , but Paapa has an even harder job because of the stupid stuff surrounding his pick. I’m very interested to see how he plays the role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Just because 2 sets of people have similar issues doesn't make them the same people?

    Wanting a particular tv series to be faithful to how it is described in the books does not make one racist but obviously racists will hop on that same bandwagon if it suits their white supremacist ideologies. Comparing a bookworm and a racist is a poor argument to try to make



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,799 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yeah Snape was definitely the most poisoned role. If he can pull it off then fantastic but if not lord help him.

    I think it mightn't be as bad if they made someone like Dumbledore black sure its jarring but not a massive can of worms that Snape is? Making Snape black is such an unnecessary can of worms.

    Obviously when James is picking on him you could make one of the Marauders black to prove James isn't racist but then do you want the other black guy to turn into a wolf, dog or rat? With the rat guy literally betraying and getting his friends killed.

    And furthermore if you make the rat black that means two of Voldemorts most trusted (in his mind) Death Eaters were two black guys, is that a message to send out?

    Snape had more than enough layers without chucking problematic race in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think everybody was wondering about batman when Affleck was announced. Especially me as I incorrectly had thought it was Ben Miller for a long time before I was eventually corrected.

    I think when you change the perception of what is involved a particular role, the writing and acting need to be stepped up a notch and nothing can feel forced. Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor would be my example of a very forced storyline

    Rightly or wrongly it seems HBO want to deviate away from the books somewhat and make the TV series their own and give a different experience to what was there for the films and as you correctly say it will be interesting to see if it works



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Maybe they just cast an actor who they felt best suited the role out of everyone they considered, and were possibly even aiming to cast an actor so different to Alan Rickman because of how incredible his performance was, to let a new actor make this version of the character his own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Saw the official trailer this morning. Anybody else thinking new Harry looks a bit spaced out in some of these scenes?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Are the movies that unfaithful to the books that book fans were calling out for a TV series?

    I'd say the merchandising for this ip will be very strange with three different live action hermiones and other characters.



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