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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah sorry, pre-coffee, I got it the wrong way around, they can't finish top 5.

    Still possible?

    But actually very unlikely. Ugh.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    so they'll remain committed to him for next season and then, at the end of 3 years, review before a new contract would traditionally be offered.

    This would not be normal at all.

    To let the manager run into the last year of his current contract would put him in a very weak position within the club particularly given how rubbish we have been this season.

    If the club believe Slot is the man to take the club forward then they'll offer him a new deal this summer. It's decision time this year, not next.

    I refuse to believe the club are still backing him unquestionably, that would be pretty stupid at this stage.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    If you twist you better be sure things will get better.

    I don't think this is how you need to look at it. You will never be guaranteed that the next person will be a resounding success.

    If the club don't have absolute confidence that Slot will bring us back to challenging for the league next season then Slot has to go. It is that simple.

    Allowing someone to stay even when they're underperforming because there's no guarantee the next guy will be better is exactly how you kill culture at a club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭redoctober


    The counter-argument would be when they want to be they are decisive. They gave Kenny a three year contract. When results weren't what they hoped, they got rid much to fans' chagrin. Rodgers is the most similar to our current situation. He came very close to winning the title in 2014. The following season things just went stale without the talismanic Suarez. And they obviously were looking at options. They gave him the start of the next season but were obviously sounding out Klopp and maybe others. Maybe they couldn't get Klopp in the summer but managed to convince him after he'd had a few months off. You'd imagine their thinking would be similar now. Slot merited seeing out this season. They would say they've invested heavily in the squad (albeit fans would say some positions were left unaddressed while others were overloaded). The football has been awful, the results poor and if we don't achieve CL places, it's hard to think Slot will be here. Doubt they'd give him next season. The evidence shows it's likely to be another season of mediocrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭redoctober


    Yes. A lot will depend on those results. If we turn up in those games and give a good account of ourselves and go out gloriously that would be one thing. If we turn up with our sideways passing game and weakly capitulate to crash out of both competitions you'd think there's not much left to play for this season for Slot. Outside chance of making CL the way we've been in the league. Interesting few weeks ahead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    The style of football this season that Slot hates is not going away. Teams will set up exactly the same next season and to a degree we saw this at the end of last season also when it took us so long to break down a Leicester side.

    Slot has demonstrated he does not either have the know how or desire to come up with a way of countering this game apart from improving our set pieces since after Christmas which was more of a case of "if you can't beat them, join them" in the way of playing but the team was still being set up for other teams to walk through us.

    Slot had a number of backroom changes in September too and I don't think they have what it takes to help him through this.

    It's crazy looking back but after the Palace game in the press conference Slot pretty much told every team how to beat his tactics and we then went on one of the worst run of losses in our history!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I'll caveat this by stating I think the club should consider replacing him in the summer. I think Alonso is probably worth a shot and I'd be very interested to see what he could do with this squad. A fresh perspective might just be what's needed.

    From the club's perspective, Slot is a known quantity. He demonstrated last year that given a functioning team he can achieve success. I think they will feel some culpability for making so many changes in personnel and the underperformance of the players they have recruited. They may feel they owe him a second chance. Add in the Jota situation and Salah's drop off and there is some mitigation.

    We also don't know how the team will end the season, if the sneak into the Champions League I think they'll stick with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    I don't think the club will feel culpable.

    He told Harvey Elliott he had no use for him. He could have kept him as a squad player. Look at the team we ended up putting out against Palace in the League Cup!

    You can argue he couldn't have accounted for Leoni getting a season ending injury on his debut and Isak getting a long term injury when he looked like he was starting to play better but he knew full well that he had a sick note in Gomez so maybe he should have pushed to keep Quansah.

    At the start of the season Ekitike was in form and scoring but he dropped him as soon as he could field Isak resulting in Ekitike's stupid shirt celebration and red card.

    He had a fit Endo for months and never used him. He had Chiesa and Rio available to come on but only gives them 5 to 10 minutes when he throws a Hail Mary to hope something happens with them.

    He constantly plays Gakpo even though he's off form.

    I think in every game he plays Dom at right back we've either lost or drawn. That's his decision.

    Klopp once said if we win it's because of the players and if we lose it's because of him.

    From Slot's post game press conference's it comes across he sees this the other way around.

    I was Slot in for a long time and I'm not jumping on a bad wagon of Slot out. There just does not seem to be a way forward with him unless the opposition plays exactly in a way that makes his tactics work, e.g. Gala at home.

    The fan base outside and inside the stadium are feeling the same way and the owners are not dumb when it comes to this.

    If we finish this season outside the top 5 and without a trophy the owners would not be reading the room if they come out and say they're giving him his final year without offering him an extension.

    What we'd end up with then is a Glasner and Palace scenario where Slot will be using next season to plan his next move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Libertine07


    A lot of posters are suggesting it's fair to keep Slot if we get 5th place. I really think he needs to go regardless, if we squeak into a CL spot we'll be extremely lucky that the teams around us were equally crap.

    CL qualification wasn't enough to save Houllier in 2004 and it shouldn't be enough to save Slot now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    They appear to have had no interest in Alonso before and maybe it has not changed. It could also get worse look at united going from failed manager to failed manager for over a decade. if Alonso fails where next?? They may very well see holding firm as the best choice now - get some singings in next summer to replace/compliment what we have, hopefully a fit squad and of course please god no major tragedy to do unknown psychological damage for the season.

    Also people complaining about his style, look at the state of the rest of the league - in the games things have gone to plan I'd argue its a better style than a lot of teams.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭redoctober


    I don't think we should keep him either and I really hope we don't. We have a chance to get Alonso who could end up being one of the top managers around and has already shown signs of being that. IMHO it would be crazy to let that chance go by with his links to the club as well, just to stick with a guy who doesn't look like he really knows what he's doing.

    However, I'm worried that the club might keep him if we get CL football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,902 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    PSG game against Lens has been postponed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Libertine07


    First line simply isn't true. Lots of very reliable sources were reporting our interest at the time, but he chose to stay at Leverkusen.

    As for being afraid to end up like United, I'd argue a big part of their recent malaise has been sticking with an underperforming manager for too long. They only sacked Amorim when he started taking pot shots at the board, if he'd kept his mouth shut he'd probably still be there. They wouldn't be a lock to qualify for the CL in that case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Luckycharms_74


    And yet those will post in the general Premier league that hes not in the top 3 PL greats… baffling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It's as if some folk are saying 5th is success now -its ain't. 5th is 5th, it's pretty **** in a 20 team league, especially when we're 20+ points behind the leaders. 5th isn't, never was(over the last 60+years anyway),and never should be seen as success for this club ,regardless of external financial bonuses like Champions League.

    In my view,Slot is gone -there has bee zero chatter about a renewed contract,which will need to be on place fairly soon if we're to get engaged in transfer negotiations behind the scenes. Who si gonna sign to play under this guy if he's seeing out the last year of his own deal - definition of a lame duck manager there.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    There is absolutely no comparison with what happened at United.

    Their problem was not caused by them going through managers. Their issue was down to a poor, underperforming squad that contained some vastly overpaid players which hamstrung any manager coming in. The club was a shambles off the field.

    These things are not true at Liverpool. Our manager is simply underperforming. Sacking Slot isn't going to put us into a decade long spin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I'm think the % of people that want Slot to stay even if we get top 5 is quite small.

    The drop off has been spectacular, and it's not getting better.

    Winning the champions league is possibly the only thing that could save him. However, I suspect his replacement is probably lined up already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    I'd hope (and expect) the decision will be independent of whether or not we get 5th/CL. PSG have generally shown they take a long term view, often very data driven. The deciding factor should be expectation for the future, not current position compared to other clubs, as that adds in variables we don't control



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Joke. At least they're kind of honest about it…

    "These decisions are in line with the board of directors clear strategic aim of enabling France to retain its fifth place in the Uefa coefficient rankings, which secures four places in the Uefa Champions League," the LFP said in a statement.

    Lens will be fuming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Talking about 'if you can't beat them, join them', I was a bit disturbed to see Szoboslai boot the ball out for territory from the kick off at Brighton as though we were playing rugby.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭8-10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Other leagues try to help their teams in Europe. Not the PL.

    No complaints about it to be honest. This isn't something new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    Have they not seen us play, they do not need the game cancelled!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭gandalfio


    I've a feeling Salah will be back to his best at a new club. I feel his drop off is largely down to Jota dying, Trent leaving, and Slots new style of play. Salah still has a lot to offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    I watched some highlights that were posted after the announcement and the speed he used to have compared to know is really obvious. I think that's all he's really lost, but in compensating for that his touch and decision making look worse. I'd say he'll thrive in a slower league for a few years, and I'll be delighted to see it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    If you saw the comments about why PSG tried to justify the game being moved, you would have complaints.

    Real lack of class from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    If the club were backing him unquestionably they would have already offered him a new contract, especially going into a World Cup Summer where numerous top international teams will probably drop their managers afterwards. It's clear they decided to give him time to correct the rot, and if not then at least secure top 5.

    I said previously that even if he can secure it, the incentive of a relatively clean break with only 1 year left on a contract is likely going to be very tempting for the club, especially if Alonso is available. They will have to commit to a new outlay of 3 years, and probably 20 Million either way (Alonso or Slot), so they might feel they can just cut their losses and direct those funds to the new manager.

    I really feel at this point the club are just trying to manage things in a way that everyone comes out looking reasonably well, including Slot. As a club it is important to show future managers that they will be given time to make things right, and will get ample support. There is a value to this especially when compared against the like of Madrid etc. who will get rid of a manager at the drop of a hat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Although I do agree it is not comparable, I do think the club situation is a little bit more precarious than just what we're seeing with Slot. There have been a few mis steps from higher up than Slot over the last couple of seasons.

    • I think the overall transfer strategy with huge bids for the likes of Wirtz, Isak, Caicedo and others, as well as the timing of said bids have been very problematic. Making giant purchases is much higher risk than smaller outlays for more positions. Also the outgoings last year seemed somewhat chaotic.
    • The flip flopping on both selling part of the club, and buying another club, resulting in I'm sure much confusion at the top.
    • The super league shambles, and general alienation of fans on numerous issues.
    • The manager searches (Amorin would have been a disaster until he put himself out of the running, and Slot of course although he won the league, has been somewhat found out this year). They also effectively missed out on Alonso first time around.
    • The general lack of support for Klopp in the transfer market, in particular our current defensive situation.
    • New contract discussions are always dragging out way too long.

    I think that overall FSG, and Liverpool are much better managed than most clubs, but they do seem to operate on a very lean system which can create collateral damage, the likes of which clubs like City & Arsenal don't seem to have to deal with. I don't think we'll end up in a tailspin as such, but we do need to make some steps in a better direction with the next manager appointment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭mormank


    I don't think PSG will be involved in our decision about Slot at all tbh! 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    My brain was looking through the wrong Lens 😉🤣



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