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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    You were quoted twice by me, making assumptions on things I've said. You've done it numerous times to others with leading questions of "well if you don't agree with X, you must agree with Y."

    Yes I did say that to you and others, I'm not here to justify any viewpoint I have on the whole situation, I don't really care if you agree with any of my opinions, that's why I don't post them, so I shut it down immediately, which is far from cribbing, it's simply saying I'm not engaging with your's and other's routine.

    I haven't policed anything either, I just said it would be fantastic if you could stop the supposition and leading questions on others too.

    Which it would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You quoted me in the original post that mentioned Bahrain. If you don't like being asked subsequent questions that arise, and being asked to clarify your position, then it's better not to quote me going forward. It was misleading to class that an interrogation since that is the nature of an internet forum. With this in mind when people have questioned me in previous posts and made assumptions about my position, i don't try to portray it as an interrogation or offer advice to them on how they post to me or others in future( i think that is over reach)

    I simply try to refute their view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I am guessing there's going to be a unilateral declaration of ceasefire this weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    So in the aftermath of the Golders Green arson attack, an Al Jazeera journalist was harassed, abused and derided as he tried to do his job.
    Low and behold one of those people abusing and obstructing the reporter?
    Is a serving Met Police Special Constable.

    Also of interest is that the 2 men arrested have been released on bail whilst investigations continue.
    Strange that people arrested for such a serious incident of Anti Semitic terrorism linked to Iran, would already be released on bail.
    Not subject to even the cursory 48hrs questioning period available for terrorism and espionage offences.
    Which can be extended via court to up to 14 days.
    Powers of arrest and detention used only last week for Iranian linked surveillance of the London Jewish community.


    I wonder what has led the Police to believe that no further threat is apparent.
    Did they arrest the wrong people?
    Is the purpoted Iranian threat via the newly minted Harakat Ashab al-Yamin al-Islamiya no longer a risk?
    Its all very odd.

    Edit
    Added BBC link for additional context



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Why do you feel the need to bring the Russian war consisistently into this thread?

    From your response it looks like you're attempting at downplaying the casualties inflicted for some strange reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    It wasn't a position of mine. It was fact on the entire situation, which I responded to you to clarify, as you were suggesting it was a unilateral decision by Saudi Arabia, and asking why were people not on about them,like they were with Iran.

    There was no pieces to clarify.

    Yet in subsequent posts, you tried the leading question routine with:

     I suspect you wouldn't accept that narrative for Iran, but do for Bahrain.

    You wouldn't have posted to say that the West was likely mainly behind the protest movements in Iran.

    Without anything to support it, that's assumption and supposition. Not refuting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Except there was something to support it, in your original reply you stated Iran was behind the protests- without any qualifer- that was a misleading statement. The protests, at least initially, were home based not orchestrated by Iran . That as mentioned previously has been corroborated by an independant investigation. It was the Bahraini regime that characterised it as being wholly orchestrated by outside actors.

    Saudi Arabia were instrumental in suppressing the protest movement. I was pointing out the double standard that because Bahrain was a western ally what happened was ignored. You subsequently seemed to agree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    I wasn’t the one downplaying 36,000 dead Iranians at hands of their own regime in this thread earlier

    And only yesterday there was a 400 Iranian shaheed drone attack on Ukraine by Irans best buddies

    Both wars are now part of a larger world war, which is why Gaza and Lebanon are constantly mentioned in this thread but I don’t see you reacting to those posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    they weren’t arrested under terrorism legislation. It is being treated as a hate crime.
    The article you posted is related to something completely different and it is being investigated by anti terror police, not as an act of terror.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Are you implying I was?

    If so I'd like to see the evidence of this please. I am not responsible for other poster's words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    No I didn't.

    The Bahrain protests were by opposition parties supported Iran and Hezbollah, trying to take advantage of the momentum of the Arab Spring, and wasn't only a Saudi response. There was Kuwait, UAE, UK and others, at the request of Bahrain…

    So the people calling for intervention in Iran, were at that time, probably calling for intervention in Iran.

    Somehow you took all of the above as some sort of Iranian dig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Latest act from the Jewish ambulance farce is that the state of Iran supposedly hired 'local criminals' to carry out the attack (!) 😬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    They weren't, odd that isnt it?
    That given the crime, where it was commited and who was targeted, that the people arrested were detained under a charge of arson with intent to endanger life.
    Yet we had an entire news cycle devoted to the Anti-Semitic terrorist attack on those ambulances.
    The 2nd article linked isn't something completely different, it is wholly germane to the Golders Green arrests.
    It is 2 men arrested for undertaking surveillance of the Jewish community, that resulted in no direct action, no arson, no attacks.
    Yet they are held under legislation allowing detention and indeed have been remanded into continuing custody.
    Yet?
    2 men arrested in relation to an attack that was claimed as Anti-Semitic terrorism, that the Israeli embassy and others linked directly to Iranian proxies.
    Are released after a short detention period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭combat14


    trump indicates that iran had a plan to take over the middle east and is not sure will he do a deal with them..

    "They start shooting at Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Oman. They start shooting at them… Everybody was shocked, including us. You know why? Because they’re sick. And they had a plan to take over the Middle East."

    They are begging to work out a deal. I don’t know if we’ll be able to do that. I don’t know if we’re willing to do that. They should have done that four weeks ago. They should have done it two years ago.

    President Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    what’s odd about it? Sounds like you are dreaming up a conspiracy theory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    News out of Israel today is that more and more Iranian missiles seem to be getting through.


    The US has also being making rumblings about delaying and diverting weapons that the EU has already paid for via PURL to Israel and their own forces in the M.E.

    Another win for Daddy Putin gifted by Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Well in that same fairness, Tomahawks are naval missiles launched from ships or submarines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭purplefields


    1. Friday Buy Oil
    2. ????
    3. Monday Sell Oil
    4. Profit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Nobody is saying all missiles.

    But I can't see why the general population of Iran wouldn't be aware that the bombs come in part from US bases in the GCC.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    8 out of 10 missiles getting through now according to Haaretz. But mainly targeting industrial facilities at the moment.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Wait for his 6pm Truth Social bluster.

    Suspect it will be something along the lines of 'we'll bomb them into submission and move onto cuba cos we da greatest'

    Friday WTI to 102

    Monday - peace talks are going swimmingly - Iran can have one small nuke.

    Monday pm WTI 93



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The original post was about the horrendous attack on the Iranian girls school, this was as a tomahawk cruise missile and those are sea based.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭threeball


    They've been fed that shìte since they were born. Every police briefing, every politician, every episode of cops. Its always, good guys, bad guys, single narrative nonsense.

    Add to that, that everyone from outside the US in a mouth breathing, cave dwelling cretin whose only motivation in life is to get a US visa and you can see why the place is a mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭batman75


    Given that Trump was stupid enough to join Israel in attacking Iran I actually can believe the Americans will try to capture an island the in strait of Hormuz. No fear he sends Barron to join the troops. Those troops will be sitting ducks for the Iranians.

    Israelis are dismayed at the level of destruction caused by Hezbollah particularly in northern Israel. After the death of Hassan Nasrallah and the pager attack they thought Hezbollah were greatly diminished. Well there back and as big as ever. They are annihilating tanks at an impressive rate.

    Talk on X that there are cracks in the Israeli military. Israel has never faced such unrelenting attack on its military and associated infrastructure.

    Experts are saying that their is a gradual reduction in the level of US Israeli bombings as the war has gone on.

    Iran are having to fire less missiles as Israeli air defences have been near neutralised. The damage in Tel Aviv is so widespread that censorship is now seen as pointless.

    Tomorrow marks four weeks since the war started. Iran appears to hold the aces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I didn't perceive your comment as a dig. I was rightly or wrongly challenging what i interpreted as a misleading statement and perhaps a double standard

    You are right some of the protests did start around the Arab spring. Many of the protestors in the initial protest had no affiliation to parties supported by Iran, there was no clear evidence that those leading the protests were supported by Iran back in 2011. A comisssion of enquiry established this. This was also backed by the assessment of US officials at the time . So to say the protests were by opposition parties supported by Iran was a broad and misleading statement not backed up by solid evidence.

    With this in mind:

    Let me ask you, if in response to a poster talking about the January protests in Iran, i characterised the protests as being by opposition groups supported by America. Do you think it would be reasonable for people to construe that as a somewhat misleading statement. I would imagine some people might also perceive it as delegitimising the genuine grievances of those people protesting by collectively describing them as puppets of outside actors rather than protesting of their own volition due to unhappiness at how the state they live in is being run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Stuff on the move from Fort Hood to Spangdhalam today

    @Manic Moran getting ready for a trip to warmer climates? :-D



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    According to Jonathan Powell and the Omani negotiator Iran were receptive to making a deal before the war started. So this could well have all been avoided.



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