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Any US military aircraft landing/refueling in Ireland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    In the grand scheme of things, unless you're monitoring each flight end to end (meaning chasing issues retrospectively)… all you have to go on it what is declared on the Diplomatic Request.

    Which requires good faith from the requestee.

    Also active monitoring by the Irish Government.

    Both points have been overlooked, and stuff only gets somewhat addressed if the like of Shannonwatch et al come up with some tangible evidence.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    The numbers of what exactly?
    The US has more aircraft than the next 5-10 airforces combined.(guestimate on my part) Its no wonder than they are the largest visitors to Shannon.

    Because over the last 4 weeks we have ample of evidence of armed US aircraft avoiding Irish airspace enroute to Israel (and latterly the UK) There are plenty of pics online of US strike aircraft over Scotland and England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,511 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    And we had plenty of examples of US Military aircraft flying through Shannon, and US military personnel on commercial planes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think the economy will always come before geopolitics with FF and FG.

    Also I'm not entirely sure SF would actually try to stop such flights if they were in government. I think Realpolitik, particularly SF's reliance on American fundraising, would come first. I may be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Should just let them all through and charge them fees. They're still controlled by Irish controllers at some point, even if they symbollically navigate round the 12 mile limit.

    Still been a few that haven't over the last few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Thunder87


    What difference does it make either way? Are we still pretending we live in some idealist world where as long as we keep our eyes shut and our heads in the clouds that we're some morally superior nation? We've built our whole economy off American money (a significant portion of which comes from US power projection ensuring their corporations rule the world) and are aligned with NATO in every way bar having to take responsibility for anything. Probably about time we start getting real about this stuff instead of throwing a hissy fit at the thought something unsavoury might pass through our airspace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    If it skirts around 12 miles from land, it didn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Irish airspace goes a lot further than 12 miles.

    IMG_0265.jpeg

    They all need to get overflight permits and provide list of weapons on board, the Irish government can grant or deny that overflight permit. But generally for trooping flights they don't deny permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Do they need overflight permission outside of 12nm?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1952/si/74/made/en/print

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-foreign-affairs/organisation-information/foreign-military-aircraft-overflights-and-landings-legislation-policy-and-statistics/ : "The Order provides that no foreign military aircraft shall fly over, or land in, the State without the express invitation or permission of the Minister. It further provides that the aircraft shall comply with such stipulations as the Minister may make."

    The definition is not elaborated upon but as anything outside the twelve miles coastal limit is international airspace, I can't see how the rules could be said to extend beyond.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 994 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    Anything beyond 12nm from the coast is known as "High Seas Airspace and does not belong to any nation. Anyone can use it. ATC service for the airspace beyond 12nm from the West Coast has been delegated to Ireland by the UN but State Aircraft do not need permission to use it and don't even need to speak to ATC or get any clearances if they don't want to. Failure to provide an ATC service to these aircraft outside the 12nm limit should they wish one would be illegal.



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