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240 Bed Student Accommodation In Westside

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Juran


    The current Higgins site is worth more than any profits the store would make in 20+ years. I think its a no brainer than it will close in a couple of years and get developed.

    Retail is not very profitable in today's market, setting up a new hardware store has so much upfront cost due to the foot print required (land and buildings) you,d never pay it back in your lifetime. Hence Higgins and McDonaghs survive today as they own the land and building, and the business has been in the families for a centuary or more. Plus they owned half of Galway city at some stage, so plenty of old money there. Apart from B&Q, who has set up a hardware store in Galway in the past 40 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Brooks.

    Chadwicks.

    You're not wrong overall though. The specific site is valuable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Juran


    I think Chadwicks is there for decades. It used to be called something else before it was aquired by the Grafton group around 20 years ago. I think I can remember my father going in there when I was a child and me with him ... a long time ago.

    From the internet "Brooks Galway is one of Ireland's longest-established builders' merchants, with origins tracing back to the late 1700s".

    Point I was making is that if Higgins sell their site, there is no suitable or affordable site west of the city that they can move to, they'd have to move 10-20km out to the east or south (tuam rd, dublin rd, limerick rd) to find a suitable economical site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,115 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    slightly adjacent, why have HSE signages on Shantalla Clinic been blanked out? Are they changing the name/purpose of the health centre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I'm pretty sure its always been the plan for that clinic to move to Westside. (No idea if Westside is finished yet, though.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭GBXI


    I see in the Connacht Tribune that a small group of local residents are still trying to object to this development - yes, even though it's partially constructed! They first have to decide on a new committee and if they cannot then they won't go any further. Their latest claims are that the agreement with Uisce Eireann was not fully agreed and something do to with the tower crane and the flight path for helicopters to the hospital.

    Surely they're better off sticking to the issues that they actually have which are basically all to do with parking than looking for any way that they can to potentially stop the development. Complete NIMBYism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    What's strange is they did nothing when planning permission went in and it was the time to object. It was all over the papers too due to the size of the building so hard to claim ignorance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Saw that as well. Don't really understand it. Unless their plan to to actually blow it up, there's literally zero point in "opposing" it when planning is granted and construction work's well underway.

    Waste of everyone's time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭rustyfrog


    It is reassuring to see planning decisions pushing through without folding to NIMBYism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭GBXI


    Seems to be happening a bit more frequently under the latest government which is good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,115 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    what will they be chatting about? posted on site boundary

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭beardybrewer


    If you really care, why not go and find out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    any updates zell12 on this meeting?

    Building could be structurally put together by the time a Committee is formed I reckon. 2nd floor is being installed this week and is flying up. It's like looking at a GIANT LEGO been assembled. I think the brick render finish on it looks good as well TBH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,115 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    It is casting a permanent shadow on Dunnes..

    I did not attend meeting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Juran


    Why not demonlish the Westside shopping centre, build a tall structure in its place. Ground floor can be shop units like now, the floors above can be accomidation. Appreciate shops like Dunnes may never return there.

    Parking Will be a major problem. Already hard to get parking for shopping at the front and rear of Dunnes. A lot of students have cars as well, plus the accomidation staff eg. Security, housing managers, cleaners, maintainence vans, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Probably because it would cost a lot and might not give a good ROI.

    Think the idea is that there'll be no parking provided with the accommodation. Shouldn't be needed with the location. Would be naive to think nobody will try bring there car but that's an enforcement issue. It's also naive to think that'll be handled well from the start so that's what I'd be focused on if I lived right beside it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Juran


    Is Galway city so congested with buildings (like Hong Kong, Tokyo, NYC) that developers were unable to find any other bit of land or derilect buildings in the city for student accomidation ? Who looked at maps and foilios of Galway and pointed to the Dunnes carpark ? Why not a carpark in the University grounds, or the hospital car park ? And worse still how on earth did ABP approve it considering Galway city council refused it. Makes no senses. Totally undermines the City council.

    I fully agree that we have to build up in this day and age. The city has to seriously consider knocking our old low level factory type structures like the Westside shopping centre or the commerical units across from it (hairdresser, asian shop, carpet shop, etc). Built up, ensure consistant designs all surrounding buildings. Like the new brick facde high rises in Boham Quay, their design and finish are timeless.

    If this is model of planning is permitted [lumping a hire rise in a car park surrounded by low level buildings], then why is it that I cant build a garage outside my house in my car parking space ? How about all those in Galway city who were refused planning for a porch, sun room, garden room, shed, etc outside their house be it at the back, or the front in their own car parking space ??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭rustyfrog


    Because your garage, sun room, or porch don't help address the societal need for accommodation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,067 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    A lot of whataboutery there really. No actual link between any of those things and planning for a much needed student accommodation plan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Juran


    I'm not denying that we badly need student accommidation. We need it, and other forms of accomidation units for working people. Take the University if Limerick, they built a bridge across the Shannon, aquired farm land across the Shannon behind the University campus, and built a student village, with lots more land there to expand in the future. Can you imagine if a developer got approval to build high rise student housing in the carpark of the Parkway shopping centre, an old 80's shopping centre around 2 miles from UL, home to Dunnes stores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    hopefully students will get priority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    And not people who tera their passports up on planes coming into this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,067 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭ebbsy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    It's a private development on private land. Developers can't build on land they don't own.

    Planning of this size has gone to ABP because we've a housing crisis and local councils are woeful for NIMBYism.

    I was surprised it got approved with so many floors but we do have to go up, something has to be first and it's not actually impacting on any residencies nearby. It's quite a distance to the nearest house.

    It wouldn't be my ideal but it is what it is. Hopefully impactful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    "

    The city has to seriously consider knocking our old low level factory type structures like the Westside shopping centre or the commerical units across from it (hairdresser, asian shop, carpet shop, etc). Built up, ensure consistant designs all surrounding buildings.

    "

    Agree with this. Add the ALDI site to that list. Underground car park that's NOT used here as well.
    Headford Road/Terryland area is a PRIME example of this very low sprawl Commercial. Will be more mixed into the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Ye want the state to force private developments to bulldoze what they have and rebuild to match current desires? I'm far from a laissez-faire capitalist but that seems like a massive overstep.
    Am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Wouldn't have to force people. Just have rates based on land value only and then you will get people looking to build up to spread the rate cost. Strong encouragement….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭GBXI


    There's plenty of parking between the front and back of the centre. One way of enforcing the parking is to have it paid by the hour - then no student will go near it.

    As aside, Westside Dunne is amazing compared to the shitshow that is Dunnes Knocknacarra. Having more accommodation nearby means more customers and makes it more likely the owners will invest further in the area.

    By the way, Westside will be much closer to what you are looking for in terms of building up when the primary care centre is completed in a couple of years. That will be 9 stories and 6 stories in close proximity.



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