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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I'm at the stage where I'm ok with that as the plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Seems like there are a lot of click bait stories circulating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭mosstin


    And Ornstein has just said that there are no plans to replace Slot. Prepare for multiple iterations of these stories in the coming weeks/months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I have a feeling Slot will start next season with the club regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    It's the usual for the international breaks. Going to be a long 2 weeks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,929 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I predict.....April 4th Vs City in Fa cup will pass by with some anger. April 8th Vs PSG will be a very angry event in here. The talk of Slot going Vs staying will reach a full blast from that point on.

    His brand of football is dreadful to watch but if he got results, we would just grudgingly accept him but the results are not there and I don't think it will change between now and the end of season.

    You stood by him with a rising tide in here against him for months. You were one of the few. You might be correct but I can't see it happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I really felt he'd turn it around, I felt that the team would pull together and put some performances together. It just hasn't happened and I think that probably should be it for him in the summer unfortunately.

    My feeling that he'll be here at the start of next season is not based on wishful thinking, just the noises from the club have been very consistent in terms of backing him. I think they'll want to give him a chance to go again with a better balanced squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,141 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I kinda have the feeling that's been their hope - but with the expectation that he would at least start turning things around this season. If it's not working and we don't change in the summer, it effectively means sacrificing next season as well. You really don't want to be making a change in October when you realise you've made a big mistake… so I think unless he pulls out a consistent marked improvement, he's a goner in the summer. A respectful parting of ways (much like with Mo).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Well yes, that's what should happen.

    I can see them digging their heels in though and giving him another chance. They might look at next season as phase 2 of the transition. I don't see us challenging for major honours next year no matter whose in charge, there will be too much upheaval in the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    David_Ornstein talking on TheAthletic Podcast:

    “All our information, despite reports to the contrary, is that Liverpool are sticking with Arne Slot. There’s no thought to changing coach. They are planning with him and their priority is to give him the profile of squad to succeed.”



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,307 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I pay no heed to this stuff, they aren't going to leak that they're looking to replace him.

    I refuse to believe the club are genuinely backing him unquestionably at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Libertine07


    It would be a massive gamble to take and a very stupid one imo. They would have to be extremely confident that whatever they do in the summer will result in a marked improvement immediately in the new season. If the performances and results remain on the same trajectory it's going to turn very toxic very quickly. Even more so if Alonso is then off the market.

    I just don't understand where this confidence comes from. Even if you take all the mitigating factors into account, can this man lead us out of this slump and build something for the future? I just don't see him being able to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭54and56


    Doesn't surprise me at all and is 100% consistent with the clear eye'd way FSG run the club. They took their time researching who the right person was to replace Klopp, decided on Slot and he won a PL for them in his first year.

    We all know this year has been a $h1t show for many reasons (Jota + Trent + too many new players to be integrated + ISAK drama and then injury etc) but that doesn't mean FSG are going to change their mind that the qualities they saw in Slot when appointing him were wrong so they'll remain committed to him for next season and then, at the end of 3 years, review before a new contract would traditionally be offered.

    FSG are calm long term custodians of the club who make informed strategic decisions and stay the course, unlike most fans they don't panic or make knee jerk decisions. That doesn't mean if things go completely off the rails that they won't make a change e.g. Hodgson & Rogers but where there are mitigating circumstances or they believe the club will perform better under the current manager than rolling the dice on a new manager then they'll stick with the current manager and give him their 100% backing.

    Slot will be manager next season because FSG want to see what he can do with a settled squad, a fit Isak and the Salah distraction no longer an issue.

    I'll take anyones money he'll be manager come game day one in August.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Libertine07


    Clear eyed or stubborn?

    This is not just a blip, it has been an entire year's worth of bad performances. By now you would be expecting some chinks of light, some small signs of progress, but we're only getting worse.

    We all know they wanted Slot to succeed but they surely have to take the blinkers off and face reality at some point.

    If we mess it up next season as well, there's a very good chance that the likes of Szoboszlai and Wirtz won't want to stick around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yes, if you take a cynical view of these briefings the club are giving, then it may well be that they are backing him fully while there are still competitive games to be played. Everything changes when that's not the case.

    Whatever they do is a massive gamble, Alonso is not a guarantee of success and I don't see another Klopp waiting in the wings. They may very well take the view that Slot has proven he can win the league, they just need to provide him with the right players again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,367 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Salah today

    Salah next season

    I truly believe he will prove the doubters wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,141 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    That is always, always the messaging right up until the moment the trigger is pulled though. There's a reason the 'dreaded vote of confidence' is such a cliche. Because there's absolutely nothing to be gained by saying anything different.

    That's not to say they definitely won't keep him either of course — just that there's never much point in trusting positive noises about a manager, as that's just the default up until the day they go.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yes I get that, it's not my first rodeo! Even still, it's quite emphatic.

    They are planning with him and their priority is to give him the profile of squad to succeed

    This particular journalist has very well placed sources usually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,141 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yes, but even the best sources are actively choosing what to leak. I don't think Ornstein's talking bollocks or anything - just that what he's hearing is the message the club wishes to be heard.

    I just wouldn't take anything released about a manager's position too seriously one way or another… if they're ever at the stage where they're leaking legit inside info that a manager is going to go, that's usually within days/hours of them going.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yes, you're probably correct and it shouldn't be given too much credibility.

    I just have a feeling in this particular instance, the club are genuine in their commitment to Slot. It's uncharted territory for them sacking a manager who's won the Premier League just a season ago. I think there are lots of mitigating factors for this season that could justifiably be used to give Slot the benefit of the doubt. Also, there is a real possibility that the club finish 5th or better and get Champions League football. It's not like Liverpool are in 17th.

    I personally don't think Slot can rectify this but the people making that decision have a lot more information than me and have to assess whether any potential replacement will be an improvement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I hope FSG are owners who see opportunity and I believe they are, they were ruthless when a better manager than Rodgers was available (and how right they were).

    It’s all well and good to respect Slot and the PL win but we need points on the board for the league NOW, missing CL is too important to the club to just fling away.

    Get 5th ffs, anything extra from the FA Cup or this year’s CL is just a bonus and not as realistic a target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Well this is the crux of the matter. Replacing Rodgers with Klopp was a no brainer. He was a generational talent who was reshaping how football was played in Germany.

    There is no Klopp out there now. Alonso is the romantic choice but his body of work is mixed. His failure at Madrid cannot be disregarded.

    If you twist you better be sure things will get better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭happyoutscan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Madrid is a circus tbf. What he did at Leverkuson was very impressive.

    I'd rather Enrique but that won't happen.

    A change is needed asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭DRedSky


    Yes I think/fear they’ll keep Slot for next season too, provided we qualify for the champions league.

    But the owners are business people and failure to qualify for the champions league will cost the club a fortune so don’t be surprised if they move him on if we finish 6th.

    As a fan it’s Sophie’s choice stuff, it would suck having to endure Thursday/sunday football and missing out on the c-lge but equally I can’t stomach the notion of being stuck watching this beige anaemic rubbish “style” Slot has us playing any longer.

    As a side point it’s ridiculous that in a season where 5 teams will qualify and with only two teams showing any hint of remote consistency or quality , we’re still struggling to scape in for next season and even finishing below Everton wouldn’t be a shock.
    It’s been a truly rapid regression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭jones


    If people really think FSG are genuinely fully behind Slot for next season I don't know what to say. As stated above this is the exact backing you get right up until the time you no longer have it - all the while FSG assess options.

    This is not a slump, it's an almost terminal decline. Fsg pride themselves on being data driven and the data all points to systemic issues with this team many of which sit squarely with Slot.

    Unless we win something and/or comfortably finish top 4/5 I cannot see Slot still being there for the start of next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭riddles


    I fear it will get pretty toxic if we exit the champions league and FA cup in quick succession. There is nothing on the radar to think 5th place is possible. Unless there is an extra spot. I think the only reason he is still in place is the availabilty of alternatives and the position of Hughes and Edwards.

    We should not forget what we are seeing now is the outcome of a significant FSG plan, get Slot in test thenwater with no investment see how the season pans out. We win the league, Edwards / Hughes then execute on a significsnt investment with a view to dominating for a few years.

    That plan is in tatters because Slot is not able to create an effective game plan, unwilling to use a squad. The energy is gone the plan is in tatters. Replacing Slot is one dimension of things to be fixed only as in he is only one part of the horror show.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Libertine07


    I think calling Alonso the romantic choice is really underplaying his achievements.

    What he did at Leverkusen, and Sociedad B before that, was incredible. Once in a century kind of achievements. Even at Madrid he gave them their best start to a season in 60 years. We know what went wrong there and it says a lot more about the culture of that club than it does Alonso's ability. He left with the best win rate of any of their managers in the last decade.

    Klopp himself has called Alonso an exceptional manager, and said there must be something very wrong at Real Madrid for it to end the way it did.

    I think we're long past the point where holding on to Slot is the lesser risk, especially considering he has lost 99% of the fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah I didn't think about Villa winning the EL

    That would give 6th place a CL spot (assuming Villa finish top 5)

    Edit: very obviously not true actually, I'm a fool, ignore me



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,536 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I don't think it would unless villa finished 6th and won the EL.



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