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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,800 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If you rewound that team back even 4 years you'd have a side genuinely competing in the later stages of the CL. Its absolutely mad they all wound up at Bolton at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    And I know it's been repeated often but that prompted a reminder of the Stoke squad relegated in 2015/16 and how members of that relegated team featured in Champions League Semi Finals in 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2019 & 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Salah has longevity over Ronaldo in the league for sure. Salah's stats are insane.
    He was hugely effective. Will 100% go down as one of the leagues greats.

    He's a great player and it would be foolish to say otherwise etc… etc…

    However, at no point did Salah beat Ronaldo's best individual season other than on a piece of paper.

    Ronaldo and Henry are the only 2 players in PL history who were clearly the best player in the world at the peak of their powers ( Henry should have won the Ballon d'Or in 2003 for me).

    Salah was not at that level, which is no dig.

    There's a group of players in the level below Ronaldo and Henry who are unbelievable players but they aren't those two and Salah sits in there with them for me.

    PL greats. De Bruyne, Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard so on, so on.

    Salah will have better stats in some cases but when you actually seen the players on the pitch there's no comparison.

    Unless of course for you there was a year Salah should have been crowned the best in the world?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think Suarez is being mad underrated here. Okay, yeah, he had more success out of the PL - but his 13/14 season for Liverpool was absolutely outrageous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    You said only Henry and Ronaldo were considered best in the world and used 2003 ballon d'or runner up as an example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I think Salah should have won the Ballon dOr last season to be honest.

    Owen winning was pretty mad alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,173 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    I definitely wouldn't be judging a player on whether they won a Ballon D'or or not. That accolade is very media driven and is as much about how popular a player is off the field,than what he does on the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I said they were the best in the world at the peak of their powers and said I thought Henry should have won the Ballon Dor in 2003. Nedved did (who was great and had a great end to that season but wasn't the best in the world).

    I'm not saying the Ballon Dor 100% guarantees a player is the best in the world - as 2003 shows for example. There have been other years where I don't agree with the winner, 2021 springs to mind.

    However I do feel the only 2 players in the PL era who were in the PL at the time they were the best player on the planet was Ronaldo and Henry. Others may feel different.

    Owen in 2001 had a great year. Was he the best player in the world in 2001, not so sure.

    I know there was a lot calls for Raul to win it that year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,331 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I don’t really have an issue with most arguments when it comes to comparing the likes of Salah, Henry, Ronaldo, Giggs etc.  I think you can choose any of them, and probably have a decent argument from whatever point of view you’re coming from.

    As ever, my biggest issue, and I’m not saying people are doing it here, is the notion that it’s ‘obvious’ between any of them.  It’s not obvious.  There comes a point in some of these debates where it’s not an objective argument - it is also a bit subjective.

    If it’s purely objective, you can only go on stats.  Pure objectivity is not trophies and numbers, otherwise all we’d do is count trophies and G/A.  Nani isn’t a better player than Salah, for instance, purely because he has 4 PLs and Salah has 2.  But I recognise that there also has to be a certain amount of team and individual success, otherwise we’d be going too much on how we ‘feel’.

    I think the best RW in PL history is Ronaldo, closely followed by Salah.  I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a season bar the Ronaldo one, bar the Suarez one, but Suarez didn’t win the title, and didn’t stick around long enough to be in any ‘greatest conversations’.  I still have memories of working in the pub, looking at the TV screen, hoping Fulham would hold on for a draw, and he runs half the pitch, with the ball bobbling everywhere, and he slots it.  

    Salah was so consistent for so long, put the team solidly on his back for last season’s PL win, while also being a talisman in the 19/20 win - and in the other seasons, put up ludicrous numbers.  He only loses out to a guy who had a Ballon d’Or season, won the title, and is one of the top 3 to ever play the game.

    But if you want to argue Salah, it’s perfectly arguable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think Ronaldo is a top 2 or 3 football ever, but I don't think he is top in the PL.

    Ronaldo had one AMAZING season, two great seasons, and then went to Madrid, where he really became the best 1/2 players in the world, consistently, for years.

    IMO a lot of the rating of him at a PL level, is sitting on the perception of him as a whole. If his move to Madrid had gone as well as Eden Hazards, would he be rated as highly in the PL discussions?

    Even if you want to big him up… he played LWF most of the time. not right side - so you can give right side to Salah. And then are you going to pick Ronaldo based on 3 seasons over Theirry Henry? From a PL perspective Henry was 1 goal off Ronaldo's best PL tally and equaled or bettered Ronaldo's 2nd and 3rd best seasons 6 times. And he'd have a lot more assists I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    It was the weird time when there was a separate FIFA World Player of the Year award to the French Ballon d'Or journalist award. They since merged, then split again.

    Originally Ballon d'Or was only for Europeans, then it was anybody as long as they played in Europe (including 2001), then it was global.

    Figo won the 2001 FIFA Award and Owen was 8th. Owen won Ballon d'Or and Figo was 6th.

    Just like Boards.ie, it's subjective when you have different people voting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Ronaldo played from the right more often at Utd though. It was Giggs or Park on the left, Rooney and Tevez up top (or an extra center midfielder in place of a striker away in Europe).

    His main role at Utd that was more right midfield or right wing (with some freedom in possession). His move to left wing happened later on, mainly at Madrid. I don't recall many games where he started on the left at Utd. Some where he played as the main striker and Rooney dropped off in Europe.

    Henry wasn't really a PL left winger either, that was mainly at Barca later on. At Arsenal he was a striker who drifted left and let Pires underlap into the space. But again if you are going in their PL main position then it's up top for Henry (again with freedom).

    You could put them there to "fit" them all into a team I suppose but it's not in the main positions.

    Might be getting too into the weeds here granted…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JPup


    The Ballon D’Or is partly an individual prize and partly a team prize.

    If Liverpool had beaten PSG in the penalty shootout last season, there’s no chance Dembele wins the Ballon D’Or. Salah would have been favourite to win in that case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    What hurts Salah is his Chelsea season. He really wasn't that good for them.

    When he joined Liverpool the thing that made him stand out was how instantly he clicked. Goal on his debut, goal against Arsenal a week later. 44 goals in his first season - that's insane for any PL club or player and very very few names will have gotten close to that number, especially in a debut season

    But that it wasn't his first season in England hurts him slightly because as explosive as he was with Liverpool for some reason he didn't show it for Chelsea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Considering the insane numbers Salah has put up (excl this season) since he joined Liverpool, trophies won (against a financially doped behemoth), importance to his club, his longevity and his near constant availability, there is a very real and logical argument that he is the greatest PL (PL only) performer of all time. There are but a handful of players that can objectively measured against him. Im not sure where i sit exactly but hes certainly in the top 3 - 5 of all time PL greats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    but then do you not hurt Ronaldo with his debut, 'Show Pony' season at United by the same token? Is KDB damaged by his Chelsea history too? If you were to rate Guehi as a CB, do you damage him cause of his time at Chelsea?

    IMO it is perfectly reasonable to purely focus on his time at Liverpool, especially given it is a fairly long period of time.

    I would however say that the rating of player could be damaged by how their end went, rather than their begining. Sanchez at United, vs Sanchez based on his Arsenal time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Do you judge Sterling on his City time…. or Chelsea?
    Do you judge Torres on his Liverpool time… or Chelsea?



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Alan Shearer only scored 10 goals in his first four seasons at Southampton NOT A GREAT

    Henry only 1 goal and 4 appearances in his last season at Arsenal NOT A GREAT

    Lampard only managed 2 appearances in his first season at West Ham NOT A GREAT

    Roy Keane relegated in his first Premier League season NOT A GREAT

    Kevin De Bruyne NO appearances in his first season at Chelsea NOT A GREAT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Nah was just a joke at Guéhi and de Bruyne comparisons being brought in

    Your point is correct and well made. I was coming from the view that had he not failed in his first PL spell I think his ranking would be less of a debate

    But yeah a slow start is common for foreign players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I would imagine for most they barely remember that Salah or KDB were at Chelsea and it certainly holds no weight in their thoughts on the players.

    All it really highlights is what a conveyor belt that system at Chelsea has been for a long time.

    You'd be really sickend as a Chelsea fan.

    Firstly because you are a Chelsea fan…

    And secondly because you had 2 PL all time greats and sold them to generate profit only for them to go on and win the big ones with your rivals.

    Chelsea could have had a team with KDB, Salah and Hazard…



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,921 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Saw this posted in the Liverpool thread….. ridiculous stats altogether…..

    17744592397453203171125656387909.jpg 17744592963526704327415276939731.jpg

    It's very hard to put players into the Greatest of All time, but Salah is certainly in the discussion, to think otherwise is comedy gold. What stats do you look at though? From a strikers perspective, goals and assists obviously, being a player you would love in your team, a player that really excites you, a player with ridiculous speed or balance or power etc, one that can actually defend also, longevity, number of games, trophies won etc so many different aspects could sway you one way or the other. And do you say all time or post Sky?

    I actually think you can find some fault or part of a players game that's not great and knock them for that - not just who they played for either.

    Salah is a Premier league legend, no doubt, and some of the stats he has created will take some beating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,536 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Will he score 9 more PL goals before the season end to finish on 200? Two more assists would get him to 120 PL assists.

    Wouldn't be a bad way to finish.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,921 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    9 goals - not a chance, 2 assists, every chance I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,089 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Cech

    Irwin

    Terry

    Vidic

    Cole

    Keane

    KDB

    Salah

    Rooney

    Henry

    Shearer

    Could easily be the greatest PL XI of all-time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    My favourite stat is him being the 8th highest scorer at Old Trafford this decade

    That's pretty damn impressive considering he doesn't play for United



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭doc_17


    If Harry Kane had played for a top club, he’d be in these conversations I’d say. I really dislike him, but had he stayed in PL he would have given Shearer a run for his money for most PL gaols.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Caustic


    If kane has gotten the move to city the year before or when they signed haaland he would have banged in goals at a similar rate and probably on his way to being rated England's best ever striker. Might still get there depending on his longevity



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