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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They don't care about the freedom of the Iranian people now. They are not even pretending to couch it in those terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    He expressed condolences to the German ambassador, as was clearly what I was referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You seemed to be implying that by saying the opposition was funded by Hezbollah and others. There were protestors with legitimate grievances - the intital protestors wanted reform. I have no doubt just like in Iran, outside actors took advantage of the unrest for their own ends. At least you admit in your reply to another poster there was a double standard in the reaction to what happened in Bahrain because of who they are allied with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I'm not a particular fan of what De Valera did (and the signing of the book of condolence for Hitler was unforgiveable)

    It is clearly not what you were referring to. It's ok to be wrong, better to just acknowledge it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    He expressed condolences, whether he signed a book is neither here nor there. Given that I was overall defending De Valera over at least 2 posts, a 'mountain out of a molehill' comes to mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    You are right the MAGA clearly don’t care about Iranians

    But neither does their regime who kills them in their thousands, nor those cheering on and excusing this regime whom are viewing this war and the continued disassembly of international laws and rules as some sort of team sport, without realising the impacts that has on us here on a neutral and undefended island



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Well it's relevant as it's what you stated as if it was fact, there was no book of condolences so this was misinformation.

    But fair enough, it's rife and unchecked a lot these days. Anyway it's not really on topic here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It kinda is. I was always under the impression that Dev did stand in line and sign a book of condolences. I was wrong. Ireland politicians using fake news in 1945 😉. There is a difference.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    MOD NOTE: Please get back on track, discussions of the finer details of Ireland's position in WW2 is well beyond the scope of the topic here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I've said it before in the Israel Gaza thread, there is no country in the region who have a good record on human rights as regards their own citizens.

    I excuse Israel for nothing,nor the US either. But there is justification in attacking Iran and it's proxies, who are responsible for starting the Israeli genocide in Gaza and the latest Israeli invasion of Lebanon.

    Like it or not Hamas started the Gaza genocide, Hezbolah started the machinations of the attack on Lebanon, and by it's proxies funding, Iran brought it on themselves by funding and arming these and others, like the Houtis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Sounds like supposition on your part. Is it because I mentioned Iran in what you perceive as bad light that I am now associated as team Israel?

    The opposition was funded by Hezbollah and Iran… they were also 60% majority Shia population with legitimate issues with the Bahrain leadership, who were/are friendly with the west and a new regime potentially threatened western interests in the country (which led to the funding and support by Hezbollah and Iran, in a your enemies enemy is your friend type of arrangement).

    Which coming back to your original statement of why the people never complained about the Saudi's going in, it was requested by Bahrain, and there was a consortium that went in, against a group that was backed by the Iranian's.

    To which I said the people who complain about the Iranian's were probably complaining about the Iranian's also at that time.

    If they has friendlier western backers (not sure there was any), the uprising probably would have succeeded.

    You guys really need to get a grip with this "so that means you must xxxxxx" black and white garbage arguments. The Middle East is far from black and white.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I cannot comprehend why Trump wants a land invasion. I thought he was stupid before but a land invasion, even if it's just Kharg Island, would be an utterly daft move. It will lead to chaos economically.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭Jo Satan


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    Ongoing negotiations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I still wouldnt put my mortgage on it. But i think boots on the ground is looking more likely than any truce.

    Theres somamy levels to why we could see this continue to escalate.

    Between Trump, Nethanyahu, Epstien etc.

    Definitely feels like the perfect storm for a once in a century type event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    An interesting slight adaption of how in ancient times a Roman general by the name of Crassus decided to invade the Parthian's, which failed due to the General's obsessive quest for power, glory and treasure.

    Incredible similarities to what the modern day Caesar is considering.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1984515

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭combat14


    so whats the plan for the wknd - is iran going to surrender in pakistan on saturday or is trump going to dress it up as a great victory..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Like it or not Hamas started the Gaza genocide, Hezbolah started the machinations of the attack on Lebanon, and by it's proxies funding, Iran brought it on themselves by funding and arming these and others, like the Houtis.

    What was it you said about a "broken record"?

    As for Hamas "starting the Gaza Genocide" - classic victim blaming and letting the perpetrator completely off the hook. 70,000 Gazans were exterminated by Israel - not Hamas.

    And of the 1200 Israelis killed on Ict 7th, scores of them were killed by the IDF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,196 ✭✭✭Mech1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭combat14


    reports of israel authorising IDF to draft up to 400,000 reservists as iran attempts to hit major israeli power plant



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah I would have bet money a few weeks ago that there would be no ground troops but we are not dealing with rational intelligent people. The war is going very badly and Trump will want a defined result of some kind. Netanyahu happy to keep bombing. It won't end well.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While nobody has any reason whatsoever to trust either Kushner or Witkof, I certainly wouldn't be of a mind to trust anything that comes out of the couch fucker's mouth either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I thought he was stupid before but a land invasion, even if it's just Kharg Island

    His Ghouls are already out saying that won't count as boots on the ground.

    Fúck knows why, logic wouldn't be the strong point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    How stupid are the people who run the markets that the reaction to Trump's lies were markets rising and oil prices falling? They actually take him at his word



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Iran did not attack anyone, they were unilaterally attacked by Israel and America

    America support their own proxies in the middle east, have been bombing Yemen and anyone else they wanted for decades, and the Israelis have bombed Lebanon over a thousand times since their 'ceasefire' began without any response….

    Those 'middle eastern countries' have absolutely nobody to blame for this war other than America and Israel. it was a war of choice that was started in the middle of peace negotiations that could have avoided any need for a war

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭goldsparkle


    It is very concerning. Those markets set a lot for economies and a lot of it is now reacting to lies. The talks Trump is having with the Iranians are in his head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,891 ✭✭✭threeball


    The genocide was justified by Israel on the supposed unimaginable horrors like beheaded babies, babies cut from the womb etc. all of which was proven false. There's even accounts of the IDF shooting Israelis and hostages at the time of the attack. Biden came straight out parroting this nonsense just on the word of the IDF. And that info has stuck around despite it being pure lies.

    Regardless, there was no justification for the response and it continues even today. To say that Hamas started the genocide is such a ridiculous statement. You're justifying the IDF shooting starving children queuing for food, for bombing refugee camps, bombing hospitals where bombing victims were being treated, bombing first responders. Its a pretty fcuked up view to justify what was done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The fact that Israel justifies its Genocide against Gaza is enough for anyone to draw the only conclusion possible.

    The world was there 80 years ago and has been since. It is no wonder that it has made Genocide the worst possible crime imaginable.

    And now Israel is rapidly ramping up its second Genocide in Lebanon.

    Luckily for Iran, it is much bigger and much further away from Israel. Or the 7,000, 30,000, 33,000 or 36,000 civilians killed so far would be numbers that are in the h'apenny place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    With firm Iranian rejection of talks and Trump's 15 point BS plan, oil is fast regaining losses from his previous announcement.



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