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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Unfortunately there was no serious proposals or even negotiations by the British nor later the Americans to quickly modernise Irelands air & naval defence abilities to fight a modern war. Whilst Britain & America called on Ireland to join the fight, doing so with an army equipped with mostly obsolete WW1 era equipment would have been a disaster.

    Britain was happy enough to recruit soldiers from Ireland & train & equip them, whilst doing likewise with a potential army in Ireland wasn't an option, I assume because the financial cost & equipment was needed for other theatres of war.

    I don't know why the Americans didn't try this option, they had the finances, boasted about the Arsenal of democracy & previously both the USA & Britain supplied military equipment to other neutral, soon to be invaded nations, early in the war.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Oil down 6% on the leaked proposal by US and Israeli media. Trump and his cronies are getting ready for another money spinner over the weekend.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The race was supposed to be in Jeddah, not Beirut, so nothing to fear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    The new "L.O.S.E.R" AI Lego diss track from Iran is catchy af



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Iran insisting they will only negotiate with Vance. They are done with Witkoff and Kushner.

    Makes a lot of sense. Vance has been against war with Iran and while he supported Trump in going, I would imagine if he is given the task of ending it, he would actually care about it. If I were Iran and I had to negotiate, I guess that would be the most realistic and best option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Are you following online media where the US military and Reza are telling them to stay safe and stay home? And yet regardless of those instructions there are online videos of protests and one-on-one executions of Basij members?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @batman75 ”The Iranians appear to have acted honourably in negotiations and in how they have conducted the war so far.”

    Yep talking and talking while at the same time building massive offensive resources rather than defensive, while at the same time treating their population like crap. As for their behaviour during this war, well tell the people in Bahrain and Kuwait that they are getting attacked by nice people.

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    Example of their double talk, does it look like many shipping companies believe them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Unfortunately words won’t be enough to stop them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I never said anything about supporting the British. Quit with the outrage at what people believe. Irish people fought the Nazis, not because they were British supporters, but because they saw the Nazis taking over the whole continent and figured the British and us would likely be next in line. They fought with what was the only option for them to do so to help stop it. Are we neutral as a country, no. Like it or not. We effectively let the US land in our territory whenever they like. We do depend on Nato for our defence. We left it to fishermen ffs to stop the Russians doing navy maneuvers off our coast.

    While no war is welcome, the Iranians are no angels and are about as despicable a country as it gets with regard to sponsoring terrorists.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    MOD NOTE: please take the thread back on topic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well at least we’re seen countries speaking out- we need more of that because without that, we’re totally screwed. It’s important Europe also keeps the pressure up and holds firm - Trump and MAGA are simply feral at this stage - that means it’s a no brainer to remain strong against them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    LOL, so true, but do you really want us to believe that Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis, PMF are all straight talking nice guys ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The supreme war crime is to start a war of aggression.

    They might not be nice guys, but Israel and America are solely responsible for what is rapidly turning into WW3.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The Middle Eastern countries that have lived with Iranian proxies might not agree on the “sole responsible” part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    What Trump said about suggesting joint control of the Strait of Hormuz with Iran only adds to the impression this is at least partially about oil.

    It's not good for the future of democracy for a country that many believe is engaged in democratic backsliding to have even more power over global oil market. It's also bad from the point of view of market manipulation to enrich members of this administration from possible insider trading. This was also rumoured last June.

    It does reinforce the need for Europe to shift to renewable energy so we are not dragged into these regions.

    Bad as the Iranian regime is, replacing it long term would take years or decades. Saddam Hussein was removed or n about three weeks in 2003, and Bush said "Mission Accomplished" on a US battleship. It was anything but. There were a series of insurgencies, first the Sunni insurgency and then ISIS seized territory the size of the UK.

    Iran has hardly any experience of democracy. It did have an earlier revolution called the Persian Constitutional Revolution around 1912 that introduced a Parliament. The democratic experiment was destroyed by the US and UK in 1953 when they deposed Mohammed Mossadegh for nationalising Iranian oil, previously controlled by the Anglo-Persian oil corporation.

    The lessons of Iraq show that trying to impose Western form of governments on an Eastern, Muslim country can be very difficult and expensive. I think the US Christian Right has a Colonial attitude to the Muslim World.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The Doha Accords achieved Trump's aims - the Taliban refraining from terrorism, an end to the war, but it left them in a position to oppress their own people. I wasn't happy with that. Trump negotiated directly with the Taliban, behind the back of the Afghan government which led ultimately to the Taliban taking over again.

    Regime change in both Afghanistan and Iran is more than necessary. I take it you are happy that the Afghani have their current government in place.

    I support any measure that might lead to freedom for the people of Iran from the Ayatollahs and an end to the threat of Iran to the rest of the region. Whether or not Trump succeeds in that aim remains to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ah you did some reading. Fair play. So we agree, Trump facilitated the return of the Taliban in order to get out. He never cared about the locals.

    And now I know you are in favour of Trump's war with Iran. Thanks for clarifying. It's going very well, isn't it. Regime change is even more unlikely than it was in January. Trump doesn't care about the locals in Iran either btw. He fooled you.

    OIL

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Regime change may be happening as we speak. The confusion around negotiations demonstrates that. Trump is talking to someone in Iran, but it is clear there are others that know nothing about it.

    We shall see. In my opinion, regime change is more likely than it was before. After Iran killed 33,000 of its own people in January, hope was lost. Trump will have reignited that.

    I take it that you are against regime change in Iran and Afghanistan, that you prefer the current regimes to continue indefinitely. Or do you believe that preaching to them from a faraway ivory tower will bring change?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    When you have written proof, you can tell me what I am against. Until then, grow up.

    Now I know you are in favour of Trump's brainless war with Iran. Thanks for clarifying. It's going very well, isn't it. Regime change is even more unlikely than it was in January. Trump doesn't care about the locals in Iran either btw. He fooled you.

    I left you a clue in previous post. The reason Trump did a deal with the Taliban and abandoned Afghanistan is they did not have OIL.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     The confusion around negotiations demonstrates that. Trump is talking to someone in Iran, but it is clear there are others that know nothing about it.

    Could well be Trump is being told they are talking to someone to appease him.

    It's not like he reads the security briefs.

    He does read Polls though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Yes, you are fond of the questions, but no fond of giving answers. They are very simple questions to answer. Do you want regime change in Afghanistan and Iran? Do you think that this can be achieved by preaching from a faraway ivory tower in a small neutral country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You clearly aren't reading my posts. 1. There was regime change in Afghanistan. Then Trump handed it back on a plate to the Taliban. He essentially is fooling you twice here.

    2. In order for regime change to be successful in Iran it has to be legitimate - people power. Successful uprisings come from within. They tried in January and they would have tried again. Listen carefully to this and learn from history - any regime instigated by Israel and USA will NEVER have legitimacy because it would be viewed as a foreign backed regime to take control of their OIL. They distrust foreign intervention to a huge extent. Israel just committed a genocide of muslim people. USA bombed them DURING negotiations that were going well. You would be very very naive to believe a regime installed by Israel could ever work. Mossad used to train the secret police of the Shah in surveillance and torture ffs.

    But anyway, good to know you think Trump and Netanyahu doing a great job. Tell us more.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Didnt Iran say that non-aligned countries could continue to use the Straits? Yet we now have this..

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    And this was announced yesterday.

    ““Vietnam Airlines announces temporary suspension of its domestic flights due to a shortage of aviation fuel.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Iran have lied for decades about their nuclear programme, why expect them to change now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Great, you are happy that the world should just sit and watch while the horrific regimes of Afghanistan and Iran should oppress their own people.

    Yet, you have called for action on Israel.

    Interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    And yet nothing that benefits the Iranians nor the Palestinians, totally f…ed up.

    “8 - Iran renouncing its approach of proxy arms in the region.

    9 - Ceasing the funding and arming of those proxies in practice.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think you are flailing. Are you saying now that Trump should renege on the Afghanistan deal and re-invade Afghanistan to oust the Taliban again? You're quite confusing.

    When you have grown up proof that I am happy for the Iranian regime to oppress it's people, come back to me. Until then, did you understand my legitimacy point? Seriously now, I am curious whether you got it?

    Did you notice how you are not answering my questions? I did.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Iran have been churning out Lego AI clips the last few weeks, but mostly in Farsi… they dropped this yesterday, and it's kicking up a storm on socials :-D



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    I think an essential stage is removal of US sanctions against Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and Afghanistan. That would give these countries an opportunity to earn income and hopefully it would be dispersed across all social classes over time. The US is essentially perpetuating problems by using sanctions to coerce these countries into a corner.



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