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Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Anyone who was previously throwing cans or bottles out their car window won't care about collecting a 15c deposit unfortunately and will still be doing the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    How many containers weren't being returned before DRS was implemented?

    Also we should consider the inconvenience, higher cost of household collections and the cost of running the service, both financially such as the costs of paying staff wages and the cost to the environment such as having extra collection trucks on our roads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I always see DRS cans in glass bottle bins and in can bins at those facilities. Plus the survey has people saying that they are putting the cans and bottles in their green bins. Both of those options means more processing to get clean material for recycling. But they need to be added to what goes into DRS to get real figures for collection.

    Not much anybody can do with this sort of attitude.

    "• 13% of adults have used the machines less or stopped using them. 25% of adults aged 18-24 have used them less or stopped using them.

    • Of those who have used the machines less or stopped all together, 41% did so as the amount of money refunded doesn’t make it worthwhile."

    They go to the bother of buying the stuff in the first place, but they can't be bothered to do the right thing by the environment. Contrasts with the effort the people who drive from Cork and Wexford to the North to get cheap drink are making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    To sum up…

    No movement on:
    People who get deliveries
    No RVMs at council depots
    Making the machines more wheelchair accessible
    Reducing the exemption size to be more in line with other countries \ bringing more outlets into the collection of items

    Some movement on:
    Bin surrounds
    Charity donations at ATMs
    Bulk machines (but few and far between)
    Most of the teething problems around items being sold with deposits but not actually in the scheme sorted

    Negative aspects:
    Dublin City public and private bins being raided for cans

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Some movement on the prospect for plants to turn PET into bottles in Ireland. Seven companies have expressed an interest in contracting to do it for DRS. After decades of nothing being done. Some movement on ways to get the refund apart from a cash voucher. Like what happened in the gradual evolution of schemes in other countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In line with what I posted yesterday, the press release on the website shows that 76% of containers collected are in the machines. 14% in green bins and can banks. Of course the important thing is it is only in scope containers.

    https://re-turn.ie/2-5-billion-cans-and-bottles-re-turned/

    "Since the introduction of the scheme, the overall recycling rate for in-scope containers has risen from just 49% to an estimated rate of over 90%, with approximately 76% of containers captured directly through the DRS and the remaining amount collected via mixed dry recycling."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Orban6


    Not sure about that.

    I live in the countryside and certain section of road near me was a magnet for empty containers (mostly energy drinks so I reckon dumped by the young contractors in their tractos who mow the fields around here). I counted over 30 empty cans/bottles once in a short section of the road.

    Since the scheme came in, the number has reduced dramatically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    50/50 they're being picked by scavengers of some description now though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Orban6




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    We'll be using DRS on the holidays soon.

    Portugal to launch deposit return system for bottles and cans - The Portugal News https://share.google/b70FnCLEHWgcwRqBE



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    They already have it in Germany, except in Germany they can just do the bottles at the tills rather than vending machines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    We'll be using DRS on the holidays soon.

    I'll be fúcked if I will be spending anytime of my holiday looking for a glorified dustbin that actually works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Indeed. Part of a holiday would be getting away from that kind of bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You can always buy your Super Bock in glass bottles 🍻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    For a year or two that'll probably be the work around, its most commonly sold in glass bottles anyway.

    From August 2026 there is an EU-wide target of 10% of all non-wine drinks being sold in returnable reusable (so, glass bottles; not cans as those are not reusable) containers by 2030, with 40% by 2040

    So its extremely likely that the countries like here/Portugal's incoming system that don't have glass in their DRS systems will either add it, or end up with some form of secondary return system in place; and countries without DRS either introduce one or have a glass only system.

    Anything standalone would probably be return to a retailer selling that exact product, like what we had from the introduction of glass bottles until it tailed off by the late 80s, basically; and actually how Germany's DRS handles glass bottles now. Those systems are an incredible pain in the arse for consumers.

    Systems where any glass bottle can go in any RVM - like Denmark - and it gets returned to the right place (if reused) / recycled (if not) need larger, more complicated RVMs, more back end systems to handle the returns and so on but are no different to the consumer than returning a can.

    Just as well re-turn have enough cash to give shops bigger RVMs and pay for the back end sorting if we go down that route!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭lostinsuperfunk


    I was charged the 15c deposit for a glass bottle in a café at the weekend! So it seems that some retailers are showing initiative and moving ahead with it.

    Exempt retailer so I couldn't "return" it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    A nice clear website in English.

    https://sdrportugal.pt/en/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭lostinsuperfunk


    Was that in Ireland ?

    Yes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You were scammed.

    There is no DRS deposit on glass bottles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That's currently not legal, so its either incompetence or fraud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭bmc58




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Could be just a new staff member told to collect deposits on drinks containers getting the wrong end of the stick.

    You could go back to the cafe and explain what happened to the manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Probably just a POS setting whereby it auto adds 15c to all beverages without specifying if its a DRS container.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭bmc58




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    This could be as epic as the 15 cents story from Circle K.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭lostinsuperfunk


    Probably just a POS setting whereby it auto adds 15c to all beverages without specifying if its a DRS container.

    That's what I thought too. Although they've been selling those bottles since the scheme started so it probably has mounted up nicely. No one bothers to complain for the sake of 15c.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Get a receipt next time and bring it up with management. You could be on free coffees for life of you threaten to report them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    Bambino pizza's soda and some kombucha drink I have aren't on the database but have R symbols. How do you add them to the database?



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