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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    So to be clear, you didn't support Trumps actions re Afghanistan (Doha Accord) but you do support his actions re Iran?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


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    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3mhtadzbxlb2c?ref_src=embed

    What a complete idiot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Read the comments. A random guy made an ai video and posted it on Instagram. It wasn't "aired on Israeli tv" and it has nothing to do with the Israeli government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Regarding Ireland and what we did and what some believe we should have done during WW2.
    Jim O'Neill has put together some great research and responses on that front.

    Ger Browne, another well regarded Irish historian made a succinct list too.

    Ireland's actions over the course of WW2 and our faux neutrality served the allied cause quite well in the larger scheme of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    By idiot I assume you mean a warmongering rapist and a pedophile?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Fair play to your Father. I had two uncles who fought in it too. The fact that the govt allowed people to go is moot, they could hardly stop them. We've had loads of people down through the years in other countries defence forces.

    I'm not personalising this BTW, just looking at us as a country defence wise.

    We have (at best) an almighty amount of critics of every war, attack, atrocity that takes place world wide. We send peacekeepers, hugely courageous men and women who have put themselves on the line on countless occasions and have died also while doing it. But as a country we are incapable of mounting any sort of defence that would save us from any type of meaningful invasion. We depend on other nations, that we criticise for their actions, to be able to come to our aid if such a scenario ever took place. Neutral my hole. Just a shower of false preachers and judgemental self righteous manipulators



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Oh no I don’t, he is a warmongering rapist and a paedophile but also an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A weather report from Ireland was crucial for the D-Day landings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Dead Jews make you happy?

    You must be delighted that Iran bombed some "Jewish" ambulances in London, among other incidents across Europe:

    Security agencies investigate claim Iran-linked group behind London ambulance arson | London | The Guardian

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Yes there was i believe, at the German embassy in Dublin. Devalera signed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Fair play to your Father.

    Fair play doesn't really come into it. He was 16 when he joined up, so the concept of fair play isn't a factor. Just as it was for the vast majority of men who joined up during both the first and second world wars. Essentially, they were mercenaries. The promise of a pension and a bit of misguided glory was probably uppermost in their minds.

    The fact that the govt allowed people to go is moot, they could hardly stop them.

    Well actually that's not 100% true. There could have been measures put in place to make it difficult for young men (and they were very young in a lot of cases) to join up with the British Army. When talking about this period of history, one must always be aware of the immediate history the preceded it. We have to be always mindful of the fact that prior to the second world war we had just come out of a centuries long struggle to eject an imperial power from our shores and many people, including those in government, were not happy about our young lads going to bat for the former enemy.

    I'm not personalising this BTW, just looking at us as a country defence wise.

    I have no interest in personalising anything on here. I'm only interested in fact. And the fact is that we had no real way of defending ourselves from attack during the war. We, as a nation, had just emerged independent from an empire that took and held our land by force and it took a long, long, time to eject that empire. We were in no state to go to war with another fledgling empire (Germany) and had no way to defend attack from that fledgling empire, except by asking the empire we just got rid of to maybe fly over our airspace. Something that they would have been incapable of doing in any case as their resources were already stretched.

    "Defence wise", as you put it, staying out of the war was our best defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I'm just relating what my uncle told me. He said it was common knowledge at the time that Dev signed it, Douglas Hyde also expressed hi condolences at the time too. Other figures in the IRA had taken help from the nazi's during the war too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Did any of your relatives go on to serve in Kenya after ww2?

    Where the head of the British in Kenya wrote to London stating they were behaving like Nazi germany and soviet Russia and if they must sin they must sin quietly. 1950s to 1960s. Burning people alive, executions, sticking glass and other weapons in to women and men’s orifices. Interning thousands in to camps. But sure weren’t they great lads altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭Annd9


    Not sure the book of condolence part is true, he did visit the embassy against all advice to offer condolence though.

    Why he did it ? There are accounts that he thought the German ambassador was a decent man and went to offer him asylum. Ive also seen that as he had visited the American Embassy when Roosevelt passed away he thought it was proper procedure to do the same with the Germans as a "neutral" party in the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    I think DeValera offered his condolences to the ambassador. And that often gets mistaken or mixed up with signing a book o condolences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    No there wasn't, this really is quite basic stuff and hearing it repeated so blithely really exposes a lack of rigour in what certain people accept as fact.

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    Further to the above, Ger Browne has a wonderful thread that lays out refutation of the usual Ireland WW2 black propaganda, well sourced too.


    But his take on the "Book of Condolence" bullshit.

    It's quite interesting to see quite how pervasive the black propaganda has become over the past 3 years.
    There was always a degree of it amongst our Loyalist & British friends, but to see it so glibly repeated as if it is fact?
    Does say quite a bit about how one consumes their news, history and their effort to check things.

    It seems that we are rushing to create a little cohort of self hating paddies…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Nobody in Ireland even knew about Hyde visiting the ambassador until 40 years later - it was only discovered by chance in a document or diary in the mid 1980s. It was never even reported in the press or on radio at the time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Either that, or we are a small country trying - probably imperfectly - to back a rules-based system instead of one where raw power rules. Not our fault the world that existed for 70 years to all our benefit is falling off a cliff because a complete idiot was voted in twice in the USA.

    We depend on the broader international rules based system for security. Most small countries do. It has done us well has it not. If we don't criticize breaches which undermine this, we are complicit in its degradation. How can it be hypocritical to speak out in support of our own best interests, and the abuse of the framework that we thrive in?

    Ireland is very much involved in this international system, just differently to how you want them to be - instead of projecting force, we invest in peacekeeping through the United Nations (as you said), and are a world leader in humanitarian work and support incredibly dangerous areas in the world. We contribute massively. Countries who invade others, commit atrocities, degrade it.

    You can disagree with that strategy, but alluding to it being hypocrisy is like saying firemen are useless because they don’t run into burning buildings with flamethrowers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No, he didn't. There was a signiture which he gave his name to as part of official record. But there was no book of condolences in the sense that we understand.

    He and Joseph Walse visited the German ambassador to Ireland, Eduard Hempel, at his ambassadorial residence in 1945 as part of his official duties. Both DeValera and Hempel were men of a particular sort who believed that official duty was important despite their political affiliations.

    As an aside, Hempel wasn't that well disposed to the Nazi Party. But, from what I've read, both men seemed to get on on a personal level and DeValera felt that it would have been remiss of him not to have paid a visit to Hempel at such a time. He understood that, for Germans, whether they were sympathetic to the Hitlerian cause or not, the post '45 world was going to be a very rough time for them indeed.

    DeValera, for all his faults (and I would have many criticisms), was no fan of either Hitler or Germany. But I believe that he observed the trappings of his office for better or for worse. In strict hindsight, it was probably a mistake (if we can call it that) for him to publicly attend a meeting with Hempel at such a sensitive time. But I think he considered it his duty to do so with someone he respected and valued as a friend.

    If Dev had had the knowledge that the world had in the late 40's, I daresay he would have chosen a more private option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Both left the army after the war and went to work in London and worked and lived their lives out there. A great many Irish did and still do you know. They don't all get sick and wrench at the thought either. I worked there myself for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Twice when Iran was negotiating with the US they were attacked. So clearly the US are not good faith negotiators. I don't think the Iranians take Witkoff and Kuschner seriously as diplomats. Trump is an old incoherent baboon whose ramblings are best ignored. Hegseth has been a called a thug in a suit and that seems spot on.

    The Israelis don't seem to have anybody who would command the respect of the Iranians. The Iranians appear to have acted honourably in negotiations and in how they have conducted the war so far.

    As much as the Americans seem to have their points for a peace plan it will be the Iranians who will likely dictate the terms of ending the war.

    If Trump is stupid enough to try a land invasion either on Kharg Island or mainland Iran the troops will be massacred. It might finish him politically. As much as that would be a good thing I don't wish to see American soldiers getting slaughtered en masse.

    Iran is dealing with two rogue parties in this conflict. They are matching the escalations levels as set by Israel and the US except for bombing hospitals. At some point they may need to take the gloves off to bring Israel to her knees. At that point Israel as in the 12 day war will actively have the Americans broker an end to the war. When Bibi says jump Trump asks how high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    As yes, the great Craig Murray said they did it to themselves …

    https://u24.gov.ua/
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Nothing to say about the substance of his article?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I wonder does anyone think MM should sign a book of condolences or express sympathy for Nethanyahu should he die or be killed?

    Was there any condolences offered to Iran for Kohmenis death?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.




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