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End of PCP. What did you do?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,900 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    You hand back the car and are technically in a better position than still owing 60k on a car worth only 50k.

    I suppose you could hand it back and buy it again in certain situations if you wanted to keep it. Not sure if that happens in reality though.

    I have R5 on a 3 year PCP, final.payment is approx 13k I think, not sure how I'll fare out or what I'll do with it after 3 years. I expect it will be worth a fair bit more than that but who knows. Its my first ever PCP, I just fancied the lower monthlies .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    This won’t happen. Generally any car will have lost 50% of it’s value in its first 3 years. So 45K is more likely to be the predicted future value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    It rarely happens because many PCP customers will be worried about what the neighbours might think. It’s easier to rinse and repeat and have that new car smell every few years. For many it’s just convenience of a fixed monthly cost, car is always under warranty and possibly a service pack included etc. No nasty surprises but it’s a very expensive way to run a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    So in each instance you’re clearing circa a €60k loan in less than 18 months? You must be spending in the region of €3.5k per month on repayments? Everyone to their own, and I appreciate some can easily afford such outgoings but that really is eye watering stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Something doesn't add up there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    From memory the original e tron loan was about €30k over 5 years the same with the current A6. So i have a monthly repayment of €592.

    Interest on the loan is €5k over the 5 years so once i clear the loan the monthly repayments will be directed back into one of my savings account.

    So probably won't look at cars for a while and concentrate on doing the house up new windows doors etc.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,309 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    A 30k loan to buy an A6 etron?

    Are you going in with a 60% deposit or something? Your numbers are very confusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    From memory 30k loan 20k cash deposit plus trade in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    he is buying on HP not PCP so it’s a straightforward loan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭eastie17


    job done, car was bought in by the dealer at gfmv amount, no equity. They offered me a small discount off the sticker price of a new car but that was mainly because I was then a cash buyer. I expect to see my car on sale soon for about 3k more than the gfmv.

    What I didn’t realise is that the finance company buys the car from the dealer day 1, the dealer is buying the car back from you and paying the finance company at the end of the pcp, if you are walking away or taking another car. Finance guy said to me you need to make sure they make that final payment or it’ll go down as you missing a payment. He got a strong wtf answer as in how can that be my problem if I’ve adhered to every step of the contract. Dunno if he was just being a clown or what.

    Anyway, never pcping again, the clauses about handing back and the state of the car are way too tilted towards the dealer if you read them. Some phantom damage to get more money out of you would at a minimum, even if not upheld, would cost you the price of an assessor (that they chose, you don’t get a say) and the stress that goes with it.

    The best financial decision would have been to buy the car, but purely from a vanity/i like nice things perspective I’d prefer if I’m forking out the guts of 30k for my next car want something newer.

    This whole experience was skewed by timing however, I bought a premium EV at the top of the market just before the Tesla price drops and everyone else followed suit. Not a Tesla btw, wouldn’t even if it was free. So the experience might be ok financially starting again but I dunno if there will ever be equity in high end new cars again on pcp with the mad price of them.

    When did that get so expensive?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    there are lots of people who have pre price-drop EVs in the same situation.

    There’s so much detail missing though - what brand, or model, or initial price was it, what deposit was paid (up to a max of 30% with PCPs), have you bought another car from the same dealer, or have you dropped off the car and walked away etc etc.

    But yes - overpaying for an EV in 21/22/23 was commonplace, and they’ll all be coming out of PCPs around now if that’s how they financed it. Someone posted yesterday in another thread that there’s a heap of financed ID4s at auction later this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭eastie17


    I dropped off and walked away. Paid max deposit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭dodzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Megastreisand


    Handed it back about 4 months early and fairly soon after the half way rule was reached. It was decided very early on that it wouldn't be kept long term. It's currently for sale at a franchised dealer for €5k less than the GMFV which is also what it would have cost to buy it outright

    Replaced it with a Model 3 rwd on 0.99% and a cash deposit.

    Will never buy a six figure or even a high five figure car again unless it was definitely being kept for 10+ years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,102 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Are people spending 6 figures on cars? I’m here debating PCP vs HP over cars in the 20-25K range 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭carsfan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,119 ✭✭✭daheff


    bought mine outright 3 years ago at the end of the PCP. still holding on to it. Car prices are off the wall still, so not economical to change for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Megastreisand




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    The last 10 years I have spent about €200k on cars current car specced off the Audi website is coming in at over €100k.

    I plan on holding on to it for the next few years would still be in the 2021 E tron only for the dreaded coolant leak/motor failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    will you tell us what car you came out off and what you have now bought?

    PCP has worked for some people and still does. I think it can be model specific and timing too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭eastie17


    polestar 2 dual motor all options, bought a6 Etron.

    Polestar was a great car, someone will get a bargain but it locked down my options. None of the other dealers wanted it, and while the polestar 3 and 4 are really good cars I just preferred the Audi. I’m not really brand loyal so like to jump around, 2 BmWs, 2 Volvos, polestar, now Audi.

    Was in polestar twice last week and I have never seen a dealership as busy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭adunis


    Handed back 2023 facelift id3 with the mileage limit demolished being offered 15k tradeins or about 22k against a new gtx with me putting in 5k for a new pcp.

    And a 23 e-up also 9k tradin values

    Both under 50% rule

    Near a month later they still haven't closed off the contracts but can whistle as D.Debits cancelled

    Replaced with a 16k 2020 m3 lr

    And a 19 sve leaf for 7k

    Bank of irelad green loan @6.5£



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭carsfan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not me personally but I know somebody who blew through the mileage limit so refinanced the balloon payment for 5 years. Had a few bob ready to go at the start of the deal that he was going to buy a 2nd hand ICE with but instead used for the deposit

    Rough figures are as follows

    Deposit: €18k

    Monthly payment: €380

    Balloon payment: €18k

    Financing of €18k at 3.88% with a credit union loan - €331

    It will take 8 years to finally pay off the car but very very manageable loan repayments

    Edit: Should have included that the cars cash value was 48k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    8 years though. At the pace of development in the EV world?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Sorry, only getting back to this now. I did check the GMFV and it's 32.5K. The mileage will be at or very slightly over the agreed total.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Interesting I am looking at buying EV presently a lot of forecourts seem to be stuck with EV's 2-3 years old. Were they on PCP

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,900 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Isn't it something like 70% of cars sold here are pcp? Regardless of fuel types



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,309 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I have no data to prove it but I would bet that almost every used car sitting on a main dealer forecourt is a PCP trade-in or a PCP car that was handed back.

    Main dealers are only really interested in selling nearly-new used cars, and the majority of HP buyers aren't going to trade in that quickly.



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