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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    Jemima would definitely be keen. Maybe she's keeping the head down after her own kerfuffle last year, but she's appeared in a few videos anyway.

    I didn't know one of the others had been banned from appearing. There ability to disrupt is definitely weaker but there will definitely be more Burkery before this is finished I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It was a chess move by the Judge. They can't show up at any more court hearings now without being arrested on their way in. Check. But by not turning up they're showing their cowardice and the fact that they place their liberty above their principles. Mate.

    It's nothing at all like mildly embarassing, and the Indo is just doing what the Indo does best - generating click bate journalism.

    Three Burkes down. At least three more nuisances to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Exactly they have met their match in Judge Creegan, Enoch getting moved west has stopped the hard working dole merchants protesting outside the Joy and him away from the media eye to fill space. Mammy and ex solicitor have to keep the head down and no big social media scene of being arrested at the house all over Facebook and tik tok and poor Daddy crying abuse by the state for transgender. Enoch will be dealt with by the judge on his terms and time not by the Burkes looking for attention. The law is hard to beat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Ah stop man. Do you feel the same way about every other law that's broken thousands of times a day? Do you demand a zero tolerance approach and 100% prosecution policy for every law broken on a daily basis? Don't venture out onto the roads if that's the case!

    Anyone with a bit of sense can see exactly what's going on with this Court Order. If they try to take test basis on which the order was made they'll find themselves arrested pronto - so no more public protests here, accosting people on the street, turning court hearings into circus events. Job done. Once the Enoch business is dealt with, and if haven't purged their contempt, they'll be dealt with then. In the meantime they're essentially under house arrest and the court proceedings can get dealt with quicker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I just find this to be a uniquely ridiculous situation. A court order was issued against them, precisely because they wouldn't obey by the rules of the court and are blatantly not being subjected to the order and are clearly out and about and publicising it.

    What's causing all the rumpus at the moment are the Burke's refusing to accept court orders. But how does it look if the law doesn't even make a credible attempt to enforce its own orders? That were only issued in the first place because don't respect the courts!

    In this - entirely unique scenario - I think it's important, also taking the visibility of the case into account, that the courts are actually seen to act. And not to just be "playing games" and trying to check-mate the Burkes. That undermines the authority of the courts, where the question of that authority is the main issue now.

    Of course I don't demand unobtainable and impossible zero tolerance towards all law breaking. That's not the point I was trying to make



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    As EB is the person who is in dispute with WHS and injuncted the [members of the DAP panel that EB allegd had a bias against him], I take it that if other members of his family try to disrupt any hearing of his appeal, they, as not being the principal party, can be injuncted in turn by the panel and ordered by the courts to stay away from any new DAP hearings, the location where the panel would do its business and not harass or interfere with the panel and its members. They are NOT in any legal dispute with the DAP.

    To date, as I understand it, EB is the person who injuncted the last three person panel [and the previous one as well] to get the courts block any DAP heaings into his claim. It seems to me that there is no legal reason why any other member of the Burke family should not be injuncted if they interfere with any proceedings of the DAP and EB.

    Edited first para above to delete DAP and include the words [members of the DAP panel that EB alleged had a bias against him].

    The question I asked about the Burke family members stands [as yet] unanswered.

    Long live independent countries from oppression by the bear.

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He has not injunted any DAP hearing. He got an injunction over the composition of the panel on a perception of bias. Three of 4 people assigned to the panel have resigned . This would seem to signify that his applications for an injunction against those members had a valid basis

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    This would seem to signify that his applications for an inkunction against those members had a valid basis

    It would also imply that the unpaid members have better things to do than put up with Burke's nonsense

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That might be your opinion, however its highly unlikly they walked away unless legal opinion available to them indicated that there membership of the DAP was unfeasible

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There is also the third possibility that the three former members of the panel recognized that the Burkes would run with EB's claim of bias if they refuted it without being able to prove definitely that they had no bias against EB because of his stated beliefs and that they were NOT MINDED to care more for the people that EB and the Burkes have a definite religious bias against THAN TO PROVIDE an honest unbiased judgement on the claim EB had submitted in respect of his job at WHS.

    It's simply that the allegations that EB made against them could not be disproven no matter what they did so they just walked away rather than waste their time giving him and the other Burkes more time gaming the panel members futures away for free publicity benefitting no one except the Burkes.

    The Burkes have been playing the Justice system here cynically for their own biased belief that they are to be the ultimate decider on others peoples futures, be the person a school pupil, a member of a DAP panel or. presently, the judiciary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Or you coukd look at it another way. For those who appoinded members to the DAP, to lose one was misforture, to lose two was carelessness, to lose three would be unprecedented in appointments to such entities and the fourth effectively walking away as well.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’d say you’re reading way too much into it Bass and coming to the least logical solution.

    The whole Burke family are a family of parasites that no sane person would want any dealings with. Why would anyone want to be a member of a voluntary panel that will result in the Burke’s making allegations about all sorts against you and putting videos up on YouTube and screaming and roaring your name at every opportunity they get when there’s media or a camera present?

    The simplest solution is usually the correct one and by god there’s only one simple solution when having to deal with that family and that would be to walk away before you get too involved so there’s no point trying to manufacture alternative theories to make it look like some sort of a success for Enoch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    to lose three would be unprecedented

    The whole debacle is unprecedented, the Appeals process was set it up as a good faith mechanism between the department and Unions, the whole process was supposed to only take in and around 20 days. Again this is Burkes Appeal, he has to request it.

    Volunteers on the panel had been dealing with Burkary for literally years, but you seem sure they walked away because they were comprimised and not fed up to the back teeth of these absolute cretins?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    And that is your opinion. While their employers will give time in lieu for the membership of such panels, the amount of time (typically under a month in most cases, and certainly only a few hours a week of that month), the risk of having to deal with the Burkes and their ilk coming after you on line for nothing and the unnecessary stress would easily get many to say, I have better things to be at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    As a reply, Arghus above said it better than I could; and I’ve no doubt Gardai are somewhat concerned that they haven’t managed to nab them yet; I’ve no doubt though that they will- and likely in the coming days or week.

    They’re a time synch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    It's time sink. As in, a sinkhole into which copious amounts of time disappears. Sadly I have several clients who fall into this category!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    It was a 3 person panel, two of whom resigned following legal advice.

    https://archive.ph/TzzMF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I don't think most people share your views. I don't think there's any rumpus at the moment other than the morbid curiosity of people like posters on this thread. I don't think anyone views the Burkes as winning against law, order and the Courts. I think most people recognise that they've been outmanoeuvred by the Courts. I don't think that just because the Boys in Blue don't go rushing in battons drawn at the first opportunity doesn't mean that they won't be coming for the Burkes when the timing is right.

    I think most people can see that giving these self-appointed victims more air time would be exactly what they want, would serve no purpose other than to satisfy some OCD concept of administration of justice and would have more people then kicking off about the ridiculousness of paying thousands every day to house the Burkes in prison.

    Where we are right now is the absolutely best possible place in all of the circumstances. Well played Judge Cregan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    A much more likely implication to be honest. And also pulls the rug from under his posturing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Mr_A


    His views are so outlandish, the man opposes dancing FFS, is there any chance that any composition would ever be acceptable to him? He will claim bias against any reasonable human being that takes the role. The objections he raised already, like a panel member having said they would accept instructions from their principal hardly indicate outrageous bias, just basic professionalism. Whatever happens he will turn it into a circus and launch attacks on the members, why would anyone go near it at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What do you base that "highly unlikely" assertion on? And your "seem to signify… valid basis" assertion on? There's a lot of speculation and 1+1=3 postulating there IMO. Sometimes the obvious answer is to actual answer… there isn't always a need to look for shadows. I wonder how you'd stand up to effectively being put on trial in public by the Burkes? Would you say "f**k that, I'm done with this charade" or would you say "oh no, I must await legal advice before deciding whether I'm going to do what I already know is best for me and my family"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Mr_A


    At this stage the Burkes will use the willingness of any individual to serve as evidence that they are unfit to do so, which sounds like a joke but isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I don't think the Gardai are concerned in any way in the slightest. The idea that they couldn't nab the Burkes anytime they want is ridiculous. They've nabbed much more dangerous, elusive fugitives in short order before. The Courts and the Gardai have the Burkes exactly where they want them - under self-imposed imprisonment in jail (Enoch) and at home (Mammy and Ammi).

    Some people are desperate to try and paint the Burkes as geniuses here and the State as incompetent - previously it was the Courts not being strong enough and now its the Gardai not being determined enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭Arghus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Umm. So the fallout from the DAP panel members being smeared by the Burke family resulting in them walking away from the panel is now to transfer the blame on those who "appointed" the panel members?

    Is it your opinion that anyone appointed to the panel must have no opinion on any issue contrary to any opinion or base belief held by The Burke family? That would surely make it well nigh impossible to satisfy their desire for a "pure as driven snow" panel to hear EB's complaint against WHS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    Is anyone else hoping that Mammy and Ammi do a Thelma and Louise off the Cliffs of Moher? Just me, huh?

    thelma-and-louise_fossil-point_courtesy-of-metro-goldwyn-mayer_1991.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Mr_A




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Thelma & Louise were victims and in real life became a symbol for women so nothing like the pair of bigoted cowards from Mayo

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