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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Everyone on this thread enjoying the lovely weather today aye? Not wasting your lives arguing on this fúcking stupid thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


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    And the response to that from RDW:

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    Assuming they are telling the truth that RDW has informed them (off the record) it will be approved (first it was to happen on 20th March, now on April 10th), Tesla are quite silly publishing this. If I was in the RDW, I would be pissed off with this, but of course it would not change my position, which is based on safety.

    Interesting though that Tesla and RDW have worked together in the EU for 18 months on this. Looks like it will be a very well researched decision.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Tesla's interest in publishing that is specifically weighted to their end of quarter results which will be end of march , prior to the RDW potential approval or disapproval of this round of assessment.

    They have a serious weight on their share price weighing on this . Hence they are taking risks on with annoying their assessor's. It's a calculated risk. But they obviously feel they have to address the markets as their original date has passed.

    The share price has dropped significantly this month with market conditions. The sales figures reports and this result is a knife edge potentially for the companies future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I honestly don't think Musk is overly concerned about the share price at this stage. I feel it is more his combative, bordering on bullying personality trait coming out.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You'd have to be concerned about it thought as realistically outside space X contracts, Tesla is primary revenue stream for all other projects. He couldn't really ignore the reality of it. His history dictates that he always makes proclamations prior to quarterly publications designed to boost the value conversation.

    This fits in that mold. Remains to see if it pans out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    "His history dictates that he always makes proclamations prior to quarterly publications"

    Has that really been the case in the last few years though? I think it is quite the opposite. He often makes bold statements and very optimistic scenarios during events and earnings calls. The latter by definition after quarterly figures, not before

    And anyway, a point I have made several times before. What is even the point of trying to boost a share price? It will come down just as hard if there is no substance to it. Of course there can be motivations like looking for funding or selling a company, or boosting employee call option allocations but none of these are relevant to Tesla

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Because his core wealth is in the price the shares which he leverages for loans.

    It's a key factor in how his entire wealth is valued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Do you really think Musk gives a **** whether he is worth $900 billion or a trillion?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Musk definitely cares about where he appears in this kind of list so that his large adult son Saxon can continue ordering milk and cheeseburgers in high-end sushi restaurants.

    But things like the above where Tesla makes stock price shifting announcements are likely just a reflection of the kind of corporate culture he has built at Tesla, rather than Musk having a direct hand in everything.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    ** Gentle Nudge ** Tesla Thread, not a Musk thread …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    To be fair, my comment is about that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Seems just in time before the end of quarter and without the RDW approval he was hoping for, Tesla will now be building their own FAB to produce silicon for it's AI ambitions. A major announcement clearly, last quarter it was announced they'd struck a deal with Samsung and tmsc to manufacture their chips on their behalf ,.now building their own FAB this quarter.

    Interesting timing.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's not exactly an out of the blue announcement, fab capacity issues were discussed last November, and capacity delays warned of on the Q4 '25 earnings call in January.

    The issues are across the tech industry and will hit automotive if alternatives aren't found. Tesla have in the past pursued vertical integration so it's not all too surprising that they're telling investors they're going this route.

    Unless something changes quickly we'll be back to cars waiting on infotainment units again.

    Fabless chip manufacturing was a great innovation until now, you bring down the price by taking out all the slack, and then we realise that no slack means no resilience and suddenly your talking about 18 month lead times for your product because of a commodity chip like DRAM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It takes more than 4 years to get any form of FAB production into place and that's for existing manufacturers , TSMC the biggest manufacturer in the game announced breaking ground in 2022 in the US. And is due to open production this year.

    It's more fugazy and it's coming in at the end of the quarter just in time.

    So yes. It is a new announcement and intentionally so .

    And let's not get into the fact. What does this have to really do with Tesla. They're not selling enough vehicles to warrant such an investment it simply doesn't require the capacity for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    concern over Q1 deliveries, Ai & Robotaxi over exuberance, and a general lack of revenue generating new products for over 5 years (unless you include Cybertruck).

    So what would Elon do at the end of a quarter? it’s new product press release time! 🎉

    Tesla, xAi and SpaceX have zero experience in chip manufacturing, not nearly enough internal requirements for such chip volume, gigantic investment requirement (like the 2026 Ai investment announced in Q4) and are decades behind. but it definitely meets the bar of a press release of something massive, coming in ‘the future’ - and it’s another tangential project to cover in smoke for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    There are plenty smaller scale fabs that focus on one or two customers and sell R&D to others. Tesla could easily go that route to satisfy demand. I doubt they would start from scratch though. Easier to buy a small fab and and re-tool it for their needs.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 758 ✭✭✭This is it


    Anyone having issues with voice assistant? It was working away for a few days, but yesterday and today all I'm getting is "command not understood". That's in two different Model 3s, one that I'm not logged into. Wider issue at the moment? Haven't tried a soft reset or anything yet



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    No argument from me on how hard it will be to achieve the goal, but I don't find it all surprising that the man who speaks of vertical integration plans to go after some of that sweet government subsidy under the CHIPS and Science Act.

    It's probably the least surprising investment Tesla have been involved in for the last few years.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 758 ✭✭✭This is it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,900 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Future note. Someone has built a nice down detector and status indicator with history.

    Tessie status https://share.google/8fCLnoYYB6zjFKHQV

    Shows there was connectivity issues from 22nd to yesterday. Might help you with visibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 758 ✭✭✭This is it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,131 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    He wont pull the wool over the savvy boards stock pickers 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    I couldn't resist on highlighting this comment I made in early Jan about quality of the pouch cells the ID platforms have used in the light of the almost 100000 car recall announced today. It was a response of another poster remarking on the supposedly bad quality of the Tesla battery packs compared to the quality VW products.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Pouches is just a really bad idea. They might be cheaper and easier to pack, but they simply are a poor design choice for whatever application and disastrous in moving vehicles. They swell and once compromised, can burst. Now that is one thing with LiFePO4. They won't go on fire. But a serious risk with lithium ion chemistries

    I know this from working with lithium batteries daily for over a decade. I do not like the smell of electrolyte in the morning. For your home batteries, don't buy Pylontechs, folks.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    What do you feel will be so good about FSD?

    I mean from technical robotic advancement I guess it's interesting but In a practical sense I wonder what else is the driver to whilst still in the driver's seat?.

    Its not like one can go out for pints and nap in the driving seat getting driven home.

    Am I to read a newspaper etc on my morning commute while it drives itself?

    If I'm still sitting in the driving seat I'm just not following what benefit is of FSD?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Taxi would be one i suppose.

    If its proven safer than humans is another.

    I'm not too bothered myself id prefer to drive but its an interesting time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Not all the drives go over the Sally Gap. Driving through Leixlip 150th time to go to LIDL I'd rather let the car to do itself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    You can doom scroll through Twitter or have a riveting conversation with Grok.



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