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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan



    Winning is a mentality thing. It's very hard to switch it ON and OFF.

    Look if Arsenal get over the line in the league then everyone will forget this, so we'll see where the lands lays after the City game.

    I'll just say Pep certainly does not see it as a "nothing" trophy and he has won more than anyone in the last 10 years in the PL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    That's more recent than I'd have guessed even! 9 FA Cups since then it looks like?

    I rate the League Cup, I don’t actually think there’s much between it and the FA Cup other than tradition - I’d take either equally I don’t subscribe to this idea that one is so much better to win than the other. But it’s clear that some clubs prioritise one over the other and that’s fine, winning the other is a bonus but not the end of the world. They’ll be motivated now in the FA Cup but even that isn’t much of a priority this season


    A really good position to be in when not winning a cup final doesn’t put a dent in your season’s success



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    So how about the momentum lost in the last 2 league games by Man City? Or is momentum literally a game by game basis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Good point. It was City's first win in 4 games. Hardly momentum!

    They aren't capable of sustained momentum this season, not thus far anyway.

    This is not the same City as a number if years ago. Not as consistent, still excellent of course,but I cannot see them winning their last 8 league games. No chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    In the last 20 years Arsenal have won 4 FA Cups and nothing else. I would have thought yesterday was a huge opportunity to lay down a marker going forward. They will likely win the league and have a great route to the CL final but it is so important to win finals, as a Liverpool fan I think Klopp lost 6 out of 7 finals at one point and it definite has an impact, it is not like the Arsenal players are going to say, oh it is the FA Cup final which is more important than the League Cup final so we will try harder, finals are all about mentality and experience of managing the occasion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Is there really that much of a difference in standing between the League Cup Final and the FA Cup final these days? It's marginal at best.

    I don't think this result has any bearing on the remaining games for Arsenal. It may offer some confidence to Man City though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,566 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    It's laughable to see the same old reliables in here now claiming that there's no difference between the prestige of the FA cup and the League cup.

    It's been close to 3 decades since anyone gave a flying f*ck about the League cup. It started with the top teams playing reserves but even now the lower EPL teams couldn't care about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Sure the same thing happens in the FA Cup!

    I wasn't suggesting that the League Cup is more prestigious now than previously, more that the FA Cup has sunk to its level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I agree with this.

    I reckon Southampton will rest players against Arsenal as they have a massive league game 3 days later



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I think teams in Europe shouldn't participate in the League Cup. Anyone who suggests it would devalue the competition only need look at the team sheet for matches in the earlier rounds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,698 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    don't think it just on that game, it's an underlying issue with arteta & the style. it's not usually brought up because they're winning/progressing but it has to pay off. who can complain when you're winning? it was a lot worse after the wolves game i think, a lot venting their frustrations with it.

    second half performance yesterday was terrible, not just the kepa mistake, there's obviously going to be anger at it, especially in a final



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Calling for the manager of a team that is 9 points clear at the top of the league and in the QF of Champions to be sacked right now though is Codswallop of the higest order.

    I remember very well in 88/89 season Arsenal losing at home to Derby in 3rd last game and then twice throwing away the lead at home to Wimbledon in 2nd last game before Anfield.

    What on earth would the permanently outraged have made of that if Social media was around??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Grimsby could have had the party of their lives last night 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah I think that's it. Same clubs rest players in the FA Cup too

    I think the main difference these days is the calendar

    League Cup is an excuse to rest players before December 31st and then FA Cup starts for those PL teams in January where they can rest players in those early rounds

    Quarter and semi finals they'll then start to take it seriously in either competition if still in it depending on other priorities.

    But I haven't seen much difference this century between the 2. FA Cup as the clear preference died out with the old Wembley. Nowadays both are great to win as a bonus but PL and CL are the real big boys and are both well clear of the FA Cup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    And it would give fans of some of the smaller clubs a trophy to target each season + european football the season after.

    It would make it more interesting but TV/Sponsors will always want Big Club vs Big Club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    No clue how much sponsorship is spent but City got 100k for winning.

    I like the idea too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I think the League Cup and FA Cup are basically on a par these days. They are both domestic cups at the end of the day. The League Cup is more fun I find as you often see new players getting starts there, and the games are settled on the night, straight to penalties. Playing new teams, midweek night time games only. And doesn't come with that whole grandeur 'magic of the cup' nonsense.

    The FA Cup, IMO, for the last few years has almost taken on a fall-back option for some big clubs to try and pick up a trophy because they've been crap for 4 months in the league, lost in the league cup and out of Europe. Because of the bigger pool of teams in the FA Cup, they can target winning 2 or 3 games against lower league teams before trying to knuckle down at the business end for 2 or 3 more games and the season is saved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    FWIW I think Arteta starting Kepa was fine. He is obviously the cup keeper so deserved to start the final. Dropping him gives a real message to the other backup players in the squad, and it's not good for team morale.

    The very distinct change in mentality at half time is a big stick to beat Arteta with though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Your post actually contradicts itself.

    The League Cup is precisely more fun because it isn't taken as seriously as the FA Cup, it is played in midweek, new players and new formations are tried out, night time games and the few drinks out. All signs of a less than serious attitude.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,142 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I think the League Cup is actively fun, while the FA Cup pretends to be serious, but isn’t anymore.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    The fact it doesnt take up the entire weekend and can be a fun midweek adds to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    The FA cup is still more prestigious, but, the league cup final is regularly contested by 2 of the big clubs, more so than the FA cup final, also rare that either cup goes outside the usual big clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭jacool


    Best not tell the 88,000 people who went to that game yesterday, or the 7 or so million who watched on TV.

    Funny how people who were poking fun at other teams in the earlier rounds, do a volte-face when a result doesn't suit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Honestly, these last couple of days is the first time I've ever heard someone say that the League Cup is on par with the FA Cup, and all of a sudden it seems to be the consensus. Weird one. I've heard the Carabao Cup referred to by many different disparaging names, but I guess that's no longer the case.

    Of course, winning a final is important, but the Carabao is the lowest priority of anything. I'd put it below Premier League, Champions League (or any of the European trophies), FA Cup and even qualifying for the Champion's League.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Context is important though, do you think Newcastle fans would have wanted CL qualification instead of the Carabao Cup win last season if given the choice of only 1?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    It is of course not the be all and end all. The treble is PL, CL and FA cup, I wouldn't count the LC in place of the FA Cup

    But It can help build a team into a winning mentality.
    If you haven't won a trophy for a couple of years it's a good one to get under the belt so to speak.

    Winning is a habit etc..

    Especially if you get to a final against a team challenging you elsewhere. It's a nice little marker to lay down.

    If I was an Arsenal fan it would slightly worry me that the win on Sunday could be the spark that ignites City.

    City still do have players in their squad who "could" put together a run if they build some momentum. Their form over the season suggest this is unlikely to happen but that chance is not zero.

    I'd want to take the wind out of their sails at every available opportunity.

    Win the PL or CL though and nobody really cares if you lost a LC final or went out in the 1st round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Yeah when it's 70 odd years you take the trophy. You don't know when or if you'll see the next one.

    But to kick on as a club Newcastle need to get CL regularly.

    I don't think the question is that hard when you haven't won a trophy for 70 odd years.
    But having won it last season, if at the start of this season had you offered Newcastle winning the LC again or getting CL again I think they would pick CL football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    United pulling out of the defence of the FA cup after literally winning it in a treble shows how important it is

    Winning League Cup, PL and CL is hardly nowhere close. The important 2 are the PL and CL



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    The club preferring it, sure. The fans I'd imagine would be pretty divided on that, many would want a Wembley trip again and lifting a trophy even if they won it last year



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