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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I know you didn't, someone else did.

    But what is your point? Someone mentioned Iran could "legitimately" attack Ireland and I was refuting that. People frequently mention that Ireland is a collaborator or some equivalent to US actions. I have no idea why you brought up some agreement we have to allow US flights under very strict restrictions that protect our neutrality as if it changed my point about the rights and duties of neutral powers.

    Nothing Ireland does is actually breaching our neutrality (our complete inability to defend our own territory is breaching it legally speaking as we can't fulfil our duties). The overwhelming majority of US military flights take great effort to divert around Irish airspace and those that don't require Ministerial approval and a good reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    But what is your point?

    I suggest you go back and re-read the exchange again instead of just automatically replying. I've been very clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    How many times has Zelensky talked to Trump?

    And it all comes to nothing.

    The lever we need is for every other country to tell Trump to get off the stage.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    As far as I can tell your point is you don't think we're actually neutral because there is an "agreement" with the US. Which, while in the broader geopolitical sense is correct, is wrong regarding our activities in Shannon.

    You have not been very clear in how this breaches the duties or responsibilities of neutral parties as governed by international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    As far as I can tell your point is you don't think we're actually neutral because there is an "agreement" with the US.

    Well, then you haven't followed what I've said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Smotrich's party may only have 7 members of parliament but that's enough to give him the balance of power and make him a king maker. He leveraged that position to become the Minister of Finance and his party has an out-sized influence on government policy given its relatively small size.

    If "Greater Israel" is a conspiracy theory then it's one that is believed by the Minister of Finance of Israel.

    It should be very concerning that a man who believes in conspiracies has risen to such a position of power in that country. In fact it should really have made him politically toxic enough that he would never have been considered as a coalition partner. His governing partners don't seem to mind these beliefs of his though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    The war machine in the UK is cranking up. All the right wing rags have their Sunday editorials laying out the case why Britain should join the war. Starmer is weak enough to bow to pressure from them and the Israelis.

    The country is on the verge of bankruptcy, going to war again will break them and finish labour. But their ego and imperial mindset will see them jump in head first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I really hope people understand that Trump's threat is the equivalent of telling Moscow that their energy infrastructure will be destroyed if they don't leave Ukraine in 48 hours, and Moscow is responding with a list of repercussions that includes destroying energy infrastructure all across Europe.

    If he bombs Iran's infrastructure and Iran does not attack everything like it said it would, historians may look at Maduro, and then Iran, as the impetus for Trump threatening and then bombing Russia starting World War III in earnest.

    It's sad for the Middle East but Europe should pray that Iran retaliates with complete and utter destruction or the orange cúnt will internalise this idea that overwhelming madman force always wins. If he is willing to ignore Iran's MAD, he will ignore other countries' too, with the belief that no one is brave enough to end the world.

    America and Israel are rogue states. They are the ones doing absolutely insane stuff on the world stage. They don't even pretend to play by the rules any more, have removed themselves from any court system that might hold them accountable, and they threaten courts and judges that try. Israel is expanding constantly, and America is supporting them in that. They call Muslim countries theocratic shltholes, whilst using the Bible and promises of a chosen land as justification for Israel's actions. The only thing they have going for them, being democratic, just makes their populations responsible for their actions, and gives theirs leaders a motivation to be at war to delay elections.

    Post edited by sock.rocker* on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


    So we take the 'can't someone else do it' bury our heads in the sand approach with defence? That's all i need to know.

    Neutrality does not mean a nation need be defenceless. That's not reality



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    The only reason Smotrich and his band of nutters got anywhere near government is because Israeli politics are a mess. They've needed almost 10 elections since 2018.

    Likud for its part has made the government's limits clear - they have no plans to attack Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye etc. And they're by far the senior coalition partner. No sane government of Israel would consider attacking any of these countries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I said no Gulf state is neutral. In response to another poster. Who has brought up Ireland numerous times in a rediculous comparison with Gulf states and neutrality.

    I then said if the US are using Shannon then we're not neutral either.

    I then said if we borderd Iran and the US were using Shannon, Iran would be within their rights to hit us.

    You then went off on a tangent about WW2 and neutrality.

    Neutrality needs to be enforced. Its not a get out of jail card to be waved around when youre clearly helping one side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,404 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Trump is never going to threaten or bomb Mother Russia. Not sure what argument you are trying to make but it's clear that Trump hasn't a clue what he is doing and will randomly decide one path or another without rhyme nor reason. The only sure thing is that whatever he does will be utterly stupid and the absolute wrong thing to do!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No sane government of Israel would consider attacking any of these countries.

    But it has no problem committing Genocide in Gaza and currently on the way to doing the same in Lebanon.

    And do you believe the current Govt. is sane? The Govt. that absolved IDF soldiers of sodomising a prisoner and called them "heroes"?

    You constantly claim you condemn the harming of civilians and innocents yet you consistently give the perpetrators a pass. A Govt. that includes an alleged war criminal and a convicted terrorist and racist.

    It all has a bang of the Hasbara off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭bored65


    So to summarise the last couple of pages, only a day after Iran illustrated that they can hit the east coast of this island with missiles that have the range, we already have the People’s Front of Judea cohort busy laying the groundwork for justifications for Ireland being attacked, because attacking every one of their neighbours neutral or not apparently wasn’t good enough for the far left warmongers that are openly gleeful at the thought of the war spreading and refugees being created



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    far left warmongers

    Trump and Bibi?

    Bloody Woke Cuckhold Liberal Elites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think today is a big day for this war. If Trump doesn't show definite signs of TACO today, the markets will not be happy. His stupid ultimatum around power stations ends tonight.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Understanding why things happen does not imply support of those things. People don't want Ireland bombed but are capable of understanding that Ireland has played a role in these wars and a genocide because of Shannon. People didn't support October 7th but they can see why it happened with how Gazans have been treated for decades.

    Your posts make a lot more sense to me now because you seem to be forming opinions, or even a version of reality, based around this idea that any understanding of Hamas / Iran etc. would mean justifying their actions. You hold onto fictions like America's allies being neutral because that one lie is easier to contain inside your head than two competing truths; 1. you don't want Iran bombing those countries and 2. those countries are actually America's allies and Iran has the right to attack them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    US/Israel trying desperately to deceive the European nations to actively participate in their war



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I noticed in the headlines yesterday that it was the IDF warning the UK that London was now in range for Iranian missiles. They based it off the Diego Garcia strike. The UK cabinet were meeting hours after.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭bored65


    At least one poster quoted in this post

    thinks Ireland being attacked by Iran is fine

    Do you also hold this opinion?

    Either neutral countries are left alone or they are dragged into this war (as many have already been repeatedly attacked by Iran)

    It’s the far left in Ireland who to quote yourself @sock.rocker* ”hold onto fictions” such as;

    1. We don’t need to spend anything on defence
    2. Constantly criticise other EU / European countries who do just that
    3. Neutral countries won’t be attacked (yet they have)
    4. Iran, Russia etc do not openly day after day publicly state they want a world without rules where they may be restrained from carrying out atrocities in their spheres of influence because might is right

    Yes we have witnessed the US and Israel throw the rule books out the window and lower themselves to the level of Irans and Russia of this world

    I for one fully agree with our president for once

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2026/02/28/president-connolly-calls-for-immediate-diplomacy-following-middle-east-military-strikes/

    President Catherine Connolly has said “all possible steps must be taken to avoid a further escalation” in the Middle East

    and yet we have various far lefties celebrating escalation by their “team” and making up excuses and justification for their team attacking more and more neutral countries including now this one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    "Do you also hold this opinion?"

    No, I do not think it is fine.

    But I do think Ireland is not as neutral as it pretends to be and I would not waste years of my life pretending to not understand someone's motivations for attacking Ireland because of Shannon.

    Do you understand that understanding motivations does not mean support?

    All the shlte about far left, I have no idea why you are even talking about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's almost like the rag media have forgotten it was the USA/Israel that started this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭bored65


    I actually agree with you we should stop pretending to be neutral and promptly join the rest of EU in NATO (or push for a European variant of) just like Finland has done a few years back, it’s only a matter of time we are attacked for our ties to rest of Europe and the US I suspect, ties that we can’t cut without returning to being an impoverished rock on the back side of Europe

    As for understanding motivations I am quite curious into what sort of self hating ideology would lead anyone to hate their own country so much that they just shrug at the prospect of being attacked and say “this is fine, we deserve it” despite no one here wanting to be included in this war, or post on a public forum their excitement at the prospect of millions of refugees being generated to (checks notes) “show them right whingers”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Even peace-loving NATO could not bring itself to describe the Israeli false flag attack on Diego Garcia as being from Iran. The deliberate misinformation resulted in the UK allowing the US to use some of its bases for attacking Iran.

    "That even the NATO Secretary General (Mark Rutte) declines to endorse Israel's most recent disinformation, speaks volumes: the world has grown thoroughly exhausted with these tired and discredited 'false flag' storylines," he wrote. The denial came after Rutte said the alliance "cannot confirm" Israel's claim that missiles targeting Diego Garcia were Iranian intercontinental ballistic missiles.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    To illustrate that you don't appear to know what neutrality means, and the fact that just because US troops have landed in Shannon under strict conditions doesn't breach it.

    Things like neutrality and war crimes have very explicit definitions but people use them incredibly flippantly.

    The US are arseholes who have started a conflict they have no idea how to conclude and no plans to mitigate the untold damage it will cause is more of a value judgement that is harder to argue against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The lever that might work is appealing to his sense of greed. I can see him taking the off ramp if the Markets deliver even worse news this week. I suspect the discontent maybe growing among his greedy inner circle, couple that with the pressure from the Gulf states , and he could well walk away soon. He will want to be seen as dictating the end by opening the strait of Hormuz first, if he can't achieve this with his coalition of the co-coerced, then the Markets could well dictate he does it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    If every country, all "allies" from Japan to Europe to Canada to Arab states, told Trump to f*CK Off, his bullying would finally have to stop because even the Republican party idiots would realise USA can't survive on its own. But this level of coordination will never happen



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I see Kier has effectively rubbished the IDF claim. The IDF in lying shocker... well I never thought I would live to see such a thing!



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