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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is rarely such thing as a "civilian" power grid and it is not a war crime if there is a reasonable military advantage to be gained from it. It is an incredibly complicated question that would take years to analyse.

    Trump and his administration are odious cretins and the entire war is based on an utterly ridiculous premise of imminent threat but can we please stop misusing IHL so egregiously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The only thing that will stop Israel and the US doing what theyre doing, is Iran doing what its doing. That is the real world.

    Irelands neutrality is questionable on many levels and could be a thread on its own.

    But i doubt youd be happy if it where Iranian planes refueling in Shannon on route to the US.

    So again, stop acting like youre somehow above it all. Youre just as biased/brainwashed in your own opinions as anyone else on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    That's convenient to wait years for an opinion if Trump destroys the power plants tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Stop what? Injecting reality in your sides falsehoods and conspiracy theories?

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is nothing convenient about it, it is reality.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It depends on what the planes are carrying and what they're doing but again the rules governing neutral states exist. Stop pretending to care about international law and then completely ignoring them.

    Proclaiming Iran would be justified in attacking ireland if they could is a pretty absurd viewpoint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    That you can’t conceive of an Israel that doesn’t have a permanent Jewish majority, enforced by ethnic cleansing and genocide is your issue.

    That people can’t imagine an Israel with equal rights for all. Equal rights to return for all, not just those of a particular religion.
    Does Northern Ireland have a right to have a permanent Protestant majority? A Protestant country for a Protestant people?

    Israel can exist without Zionism just as Northern Ireland can exist without unionism.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    What conspiracy theories have I ever posted on this site? Name them you intellectually feeble fool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭combat14


    iran insists straits are open just simply an insurance issue preventing traffic not sure will that be enough for trump

    they have also added financial entities to threat list ::

    Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf, Iran’s parliament speaker, threatened financial entities that fund the US military in a Sunday social media post.

    “Alongside military bases, those financial entities that finance the US military budget are legitimate targets,” he wrote. “US treasury bonds are soaked in Iranians’ blood. Purchase them, and you purchase a strike on your HQ and assets.”

    He warned: “We monitor your portfolios. This is your final notice.”

    at this rate trump will have to walk away or go all in and call the iranian clerics bluffs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Your side posted a conspiracy theory about "Greater Israel." And that's how I put it "your sides falsehoods and conspiracy theories."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,285 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I see you have no moved onto explaining away war crimes



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    🙄

    It is a matter of continuing debate whether Russia targeting Ukrainian power infrastructure is a war crime. The reality is that it is complicated and based on the military intentions and outcomes and the comparative cost to civilians. But some people have absolutely no interest in engaging with the difficult realities of all these things.

    There is a perfectly legitimate argument that targeting power infrastructure in Iran as a punitive measure is a war crime. "targeting power plants is a war crime" is simply factually incorrect and it irritates me that people reduce themselves to this level of debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Absolute nonsense. Of course it’s a war crime if he bombs the power stations and it doesn’t takes years to work out that fact. Pure nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Why? Governments and lawyers have spent decades formulating these laws and they continue to be tested in courts over and over again. There is, categorically, no explicit reference to bombing power stations as being a war crime. It entirely depends on the evaluation of "military necessity". The idiocy of the war itself is not even relevant.

    A lot of academic and legal work has gone into this during the Russian invasion. One example is here:

    https://lieber.westpoint.edu/attacking-power-infrastructure-under-international-humanitarian-law/

    I conclude that attacks on power infrastructure, such as those Russia is mounting, can be unlawful, and many undoubtedly are, but are not necessarily so.

    I have little doubt that US actions could and may well stray into this territory, but discussions based on ignorance are never good and blanket statements that targeting power infrastructure are war crimes is nonsense. Most war is condemnable, but war crimes are a very specific thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You know exactly what I mean by a puppet and don't bloody pretend that you don't because it won't wash with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It may benefit certain people in the US, but the average Joe? No.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    In the case of Iran vs. Israel the reality - the actual reality - is very clear. The Ayatollah's regime seeks the total destruction of Israel as its non-negotiable objective. They support terrorist proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis to pursue this objective on their behalf. They aren't interested in a change of government in Tel Aviv. They want to erase Israel - the world's only Jewish state - completely and utterly.

    The Ayatollahs' quarrel with Israel is a fight to the death. They've repeatedly made that absolutely crystal clear.

    Anything else is a falsehood, including the map of "Greater Israel" that you thanked, which is a conspiracy theory.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, why do you bother?

    You're dealing with some people who are only here to score some imaginary points. You know who they are. You'll get no actual honest discussion from them and, frankly, scoring points is all they are interested in.

    The ignore button, while far from perfect, is still a much better option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    If that is their plan then this could be a false flag attack?

    A senior Iranian official told Al Jazeera on Sunday that Iran was not responsible for and was not behind missile attacks on the Diego Garcia military base in the Indian Ocean, Anadolu reports.

    The denial came after the Wall Street Journal reported Friday that two intermediate-range ballistic missiles had been fired toward the base, with neither striking it.

    The Pentagon did not immediately respond to Anadolu’s request for comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Since we all know that they only thing that ever reigns Trump in is the stock market taking this is an interesting theory about what might happen tomorrow:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The US and Israel have burnt international rules so anything goes now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Montevideo was not a port that had any prior agreement with the Germans in WWII. It was merely a port belonging to a country that wasn't part of the war and therefore not subject to attack by the allies. If the port was was allowing German vessels to refit and refuel with equipment and resources by prior arrangement, then the British would have been within their rights to attack the Graf Spee while she was in port and also the port itself.

    Repairs to the Graf Spee were undertaken by what the Germans could do with the resources they had aboard and they were told by the Uruguayan government that they had just 72 hours in which to complete them (if I recall correctly it was supposed to be 24). After which time they had to leave port.

    We, on the the other hand, have agreements with the US since 2002 that allow their aircraft to land at Shannon. It is not the same thing.

    Added for clarity…

    As part of the agreement with the US, their military aircraft can land and refuel as long as they are not being used in active ops in a shooting war, nor are they allowed to carry munitions. However, it is extremely difficult for us to keep tabs on that and if another nation who is at war with the US at a given time were to track aircraft leaving Shannon for targets in their country, they could be within their rights in attacking the airport and any US aircraft that use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Also, to that one guy who keeps referring to "Greater Israel" as being a conspiracy theory. Well if it is then the conspiracy theorists are currently in charge (Smotrich), leading the expansionist movements within the country (Weiss) and providing diplomatic cover (Huckabee)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    When have I pretended to care about international law? I find the concept hilarious tbh.

    Ive stated several times my opinion is one of complete objectivity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    How many homosexual people are executed per year for the crime of homosexuality in Iran?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    We went to war to achieve peace!

    Washington's Treasury Secretary says the US may need to "escalate" its attacks against Iran to be able to wind down the war, now in its fourth week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel is the only one doing the "erasing" right now.

    Perhaps you'll only be satisfied when Iran resembles Gaza, or, soon enough, Lebanon?

    It's clear that you will never condemn Israel and all its atrocities over the decades. If the ICJ find that Israel committed Genocide or Netanyahu is arrested and rotting in a cell in The Hague, I'd imagine you'd post full throated denials and claim Israel is the victim of fake news.

    You really do seem to have a weird obsession with the "thanks" button. You do realise is does not validate your posts or arguments? Though perhaps you should note the lack of "thanks" for your own posts as an indication that you are promulgating views shared by pretty much no-one else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    If these reports are true then Iraq may make progress towards getting its sovereignty and oil resources back? It wasn't long ago when Trump was telling them who could not be Prime Minister.

    The United States and NATO have sought a temporary ceasefire in Iraq to facilitate their withdrawal, according to Iraqi resistance factions.

    Abu Mahdi al-Jaafari, spokesperson for the Awliyaa Al-Dam Brigades, said Washington and NATO requested mediation through the Iraqi government “to obtain a temporary 24-hour truce from the resistance factions, with the aim of completing the withdrawal of their forces from the Victory base in Baghdad towards Turkey.”

    He added that several factions agreed to the truce under strict conditions, including that “the Popular Mobilization Forces’ positions extending from Samarra to Karbala not be targeted,” warning that any violation “will be met with a strong response.”

    Al-Jaafari also noted that NATO aircraft were unable to land at the base due to the intensity of ongoing attacks, stating that “NATO S-30 aircraft failed to land inside Victory base due to the intensity of the fire targeting the base.”

    The Iraqi resistance indicated that sustained attacks had significantly reduced the US military presence.



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