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The cost of Public charging

  • 22-03-2026 06:56AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭


    Public charging is effectively the same price as petrol. Ridiculous.

    Background - we have a home charger, and until recently only had a Plug in Hybrid Sportage. NEVER Plugged into public charging.

    Bought a BEV Taycan a few weeks ago. Drove to Dublin from Limerick. I plugged into a ESB charger while in the hotel so when we get back from the airport we’ll be able to go straight home.

    Thankfully the need to plug into a public charger will be rare. But, a significant benefit of an EV is to be cheaper than fossil fuel. And yet, the public charge costs are pretty much fossil fuel prices, apart from global crises like we currently have. Not very encouraging to have the state owned ESB charging such high prices. I appreciate the infrastructure is costly.

    Porsche are offering two options, but one charges over 80c while another charges 37c. Anybody familiar with these option, and what’s the best. Thanks.


    So, a rant and a request for info 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭SVI40


    Is the cost per Kw the same as your normal in hours domestic price, or is it cheaper on the public charger?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    On the rant, you’re right about DC charging rates but the majority of EV owners wouldn’t use them with any regularity. Even then it’s probably a spend of €10-€20 to top up enough to get home. Imagine what you’re saving though compared to running an equivalent petrol Porsche.

    Unless you’re using public charging regularly, it probably isn’t worth paying a monthly subscription to have cheaper rates. 80c isn’t competitive so you’re better off dealing directly with the likes of eCars etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Public charging is double to triple the price per kwh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Genghis


    I believe it is bo coincidence that public charging is priced to be similar to fossil fuels, and is not based on a 'cost of delivery plus margin and tax' basis.

    Networks like Ionity, whose customer base is fleet / business heavy proved early days and I'm multiple markets that customers will accept pricing per km that is similar to fossil, and they proved this even while other charging networks were still free.

    Hence when the market evolved / reset from the unsustainable 'free or minimal cost' basis it began with, other networks took their lead and it is now firmly established that the price of public charging is effectively benchmarked on fossil fuel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    significantly cheaper.


    I get why non public companies charge what they can get away with. BUT, from a national strategic POV shouldn’t the ESB be more environmentally focused rather than maxing fees?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    what’s it like in other countries compared to domestic, if anyone knows…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    providing the infrastructure is expensive. ECars can not operate at a loss or be subsidised by ESBs other businesses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    infrastructure is likely pricy, but is all public transport profitable? Unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    If they were cheaper would there be a better uptake of EVs? Arguably. Lots of people cannot have home chargers, apartments etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    As someone who doesn’t have a clue about how public charging is organised in Ireland from the perspective of set up costs and monopoly controls, could a private company set up charging stations and charge more reasonable prices or are there just too many barriers to entry? Obviously the first barrier is the land to host the chargers on - petrol stations are mostly owned by just a few companies so I don’t see how competition could emerge. It’s in their interests to keep prices high as the barriers to entry seem too great



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    They aren't really providing the infrastructure though. If you drive on the motorways you are fine. But if you live in a big town or city there are very few places to charge and queuing is common. Then when you do plug in you get a 50 from a 150 charger.

    The lack of charging infrastructure is stopping people who can't charge at home from switching to electric cars. Public charging is extremely expensive, it cost me as much as my 10l/100km car, for way too few poor quality chargers. They're making huge profits and but not reinvesting in the network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    private vehicles are not public transport. The vehicles and home charge points already receive a state subsidy.

    Ionity , EZO etc would have ESB in court if they thought that ESB was operating ECars at a loss. And supporting it with income from other parts of the business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    isn’t there something like 70 or 80% grants for chargers in MUDs? Councils and SEAI need to sort out charging in MUDs. AC chargers are relatively cheap compared to DC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    More excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    It may help in terms of making EV’s more financially attractive for such people. It’s still going to struggle against the convenience of fuelling ICE vehicles for someone who doesn’t have the option to charge at home. As technology advances for EV’s it may be less of an issue. For now though most people wouldn’t recommend an EV for anyone that can’t charge at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    They're making huge profits and but not reinvesting in the network.

    Are they?

    I often find lines like "they're making huge profits" to be just a trope that people throw out there when they are not happy with the price of something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    lol, you beat me to it.

    If OP can afford to buy or lease a Porsche EV, he shouldn’t be bothered by high charging fees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    High power DC charging is not the same as home electricity. It is a different product, it's both a product and a service.

    My home charging seems to be 13.5 cent per kWh but that ignores the €500,000 cost to me to provide the infrastructure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Not really my point. The times I’ll charge away from home will be few and far between… bit like the chargers 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    That's no different than saying you shouldn't care if the drive-thru overcharges you for a cup of coffee if you drive a Porsche instead of a VW. Communist thinking right there lad.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    If they overcharge you for coffee because you drive a Porsche, OK.

    But your thinking is faulty, since all cars are billed the same, regardless of brand. I am not clear on where the communism charge need come in, but then again, I am not a lad…

    Besides that, though; the OP mentioned the fact the cost of charging his car was tantamount to filling up with fuel. The service for both is approximately equal, so there you go. As he stated, his primary source of power is his home charging device; the rest is gravy. If you stay at a hotel for the night, are you expecting for Youth Hostel rates to apply?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You're suggesting that because someone is driving an expensive car, they shouldn't be bothered by expensive charging fees, which is the same as saying it's OK to be bothered by them if you drive a cheaper EV. So, his complaint is seemingly less valid, or not taken seriously because the car is expensive. Similar arguments are made by lads/ladettes/thems who hold signs that say

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    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Happy that you’re amused. Are you okay with those with less expensive EV’s or those not able to charge at their home paying fossil fuel prices?


    The “pity about the Porsche driver” comment is juvenile. And you should know better, not being a lad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    I wouldn’t pity anyone on the matter of electric cars. I stated clearly that everybody pays the same for charging. If you can afford a Porsche EV, then it goes without saying the cost burden that equals that of petrol is a non issue.

    I am only supposing this, but I am guessing you paying as much as a ICE car owner came as an unwanted surprise.


    Insofar as incentives go, there are plenty that fit the bill of undue privilege to please a minority of EV owners. One of them, apart from subsidized home charging implements and a % of subsidized on purchase , involves parking status. EV owners have the privilege of parking and charging very near entrances to transit or shopping plazas for instance. If I question this perk, I am liable to be dubbed a communist lad. So be it.

    Lol x 100



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If you mostly charge on Public charging then you are probably better with ICE. It's that simple.

    Not that it's only about the cost of fuel. But the convenience of home charging is a big part of it.

    They are building out the high speed DC charging. Once they come back and build out AC there will be more cheaper options around the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Your choice of words says it all. Undue Privilege, Status, Minority.

    Don't be surprised when the t-shirt fits.

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    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    My middle finger told me from your First post that you wouldn’t run out of argumentative memes.


    For your educational aid, though; when someone charges you more for power at a service station or ESB stand than at home, it has nothing whatever to do with communism. Also, privileges given to handicapped and parents with small children in tow are reasonable, but those given to EV users are questionable, at best.



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