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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The situation is getting much worse every day it seems. Who knows what will be happening this time next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


    Losing an aircraft or two out of thousands of sorties flown does no way indicate that an actor doesn't have air superiority. That's the same as stating that NATO didn't control the skies at the time that F-117 Nighthawk was shot down over the former Yugoslavia.

    Yes it can affect the aura of a new piece of kit but tbh the B2's, F-22's, F-35's, B-1's etc. Have all been operating freely in the theatre.

    In anycase, let's hope that this s**tshow from all sides ends in the very near future. It reminds us of the chest-beating antics ahead of WW1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


    Please. This is not a tabloid comments section or a Facebook post. What kind of nonsense are you taking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Hamas pursued a strategy that led to Gaza being destroyed but people on here blame Israel. If the desalination plants are attacked by Iran, that's on Iran, nobody else.

    It is not self-defence to eliminate the water supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,801 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    my criticism of the sheep killing really upset some. Bizarre.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    People blame Israel cause they're the ones who destroyed Gaza. Though I assume that is essentially your point.

    There is logical incoherency all over the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I agree it is bizzare, how you were moved to condemn the killing of sheep but not civilians. As you have demonstrated once again by not condemning the killing of civilians in The West Bank .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting that you mention WWI, which wasn't supposed to happen because all sides were supposedly equally armed.

    This war is happening because a convicted sex offender wanted another dopamine hit by attacking a country that he thought would roll over.

    BTW, it seems an F15 has been now be hit, although it has yet to be confirmed by a few sources.

    However up to this point the vast majority of in flight losses have been friendly fire and accidents, no doubt made more likely by lack of planning and coordination.

    BTW, I can Trump losing interest, but by no means can I see Iran accepting a US/Israeli peace considering they attacked a nations head of state as negotiations to avoid war were occurring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I agree. If you condemned Israel for targetting civilian infrastructure then it is a clear double standard to try and justify Iran targetting civilian infrastructure. Although i seem to recall a poster justifying Israel committing war crimes because it's "total war" and "Israel feels under existential threat". I wonder does this poster excuse Iranian war crimes on the same basis, if they cite that it's total war and they feel under existential threat? A lot of hypocrisy going around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Wanted war criminal crying for help

    'Iran endangers entire world': Netanyahu calls on international leaders to 'join up' for fighting

    Benjamin Netanyahu has said it is time for world leaders to "join up" with US-Israeli operations against Iran.

    "I'm happy to say that I can see some of them beginning to move in that direction, but more is needed," Israel's prime minister said in comments shared on social media.

    Visiting the site of an Iranian strike on Arad in southern Israel, Netanyahu said the attack was "proof" that Iran has to be stopped and that it "endangers the entire world".

    No one was killed in the attack, he confirmed, but he added the attack had "targeted a civilian area".

    Wanted war criminal gives order to demolish homes

    Israel will destroy Lebanese homes in frontline villages, defence minister says

    The Israeli military has been instructed to demolish homes in frontline villages in Lebanon, Israel's defence minister has said.

    Israel Katz said he and Benjamin Netanyahu gave the order to end threats to ‌Israeli communities in the region.

    The military was also told to ‌immediately destroy all bridges over Lebanon's Litani ⁠river that were being used ​by Hezbollah for "terrorist activity", he said.

    More than a million people are estimated to have been displaced in Lebanon due to evacuation orders by the Israeli military and its operations against Hezbollah in the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Last week you accused me of being OK with Ireland being attacked by Iran. You were not able to provide any evidence of me ever saying such a thing.

    Now you accuse me of cheering for Iran. So I would ask you again, to find any comment by me cheering for Iran. Of course you won’t be able because I have never said anything of the sort.

    Why do you continuously make up narratives about other posters, (not just me, I have watched you doing it repeatedly) and when asked to profile proof you scuttle off. There’s a name for that type of behaviour.

    As for your last paragraph… I come on here to learn, engage and to read the thoughts of other people in order to challenge my own views on things. Reading you repeating the same point over and over, despite it being dealt with brings nothing to the discussion. Literally nothing at all. You make your point, someone will explain the reason Iran chose that strategy, you accuse them of cheering for Iran and then you just reply to someone else and repeat the same process. You have been called out on it several times, by more posters than myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Agreed. It also has shown the world the dangers of being tied at the hip with the US. And how there is a price to pay for that. So there are clear reasons that Iran have engaged in that strategy. It may pay off, it may not, that remains to be seen. Of course most posters can see and understand that logic. It is bizarre to see posters who merely explain that strategy being accused of supporting it.

    That other poster has a complete blind spot when it comes to this. Their anger at the strategy means they refuse to even try to understand it. Instead continuously engaging in hopeful hyperbole about how it was a mistake of catastrophic proportions, as if saying it often enough makes it true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    So far it's been Iran's strategy that has been the clearest and most effective in this war. They have used what they have to deal heavy strategic blows to the people attacking them. They've shown that they can reach their enemies assets anywhere in the region and further away, too, and closed off the oil tap which is going to cause a lot of problems.

    Meanwhile Israel and the US's "strategy" of bomb the shit out of everyone and see what happens has yielded nothing much of substance. In fact, it's made everything worse for everybody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭Acosta


    We can all detest the tactics of Hamas. But any country that treats another country the way Israel treats Palestine, there will always be a Hamas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Bollocks.

    Israel pursued a strategy of genocidal warfare that led to the destruction of Gaza and the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents (more than likely in the region of six figures). Their campaign was one of total disregard for both civilians and civilian infrastructure. In fact they deliberately targeted them.

    You continually post bullshit on here, but you won't get away with lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    They don't think Palestinians are being treated badly so they don't understand why there would be any resistance. They just see it as Israel taking back their land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What's "bizarre" is that some on here will criticise the IDF for killing sheep, but remain silent when they snipe an 8 year old in the head for the laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The sheer hypocrisy of that bastard complaining that Iran "targeted a civilian area", after what he's done over the last two and a half years alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It's pretty concerning Israel is letting all of the destruction come out in the media suddenly. They've gone from hiding damage to using it for whatever they plan to do next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    What is going on here!?.You seem to be essentially waving away Israeli war crimes here as the fault of Hamas. Yet you would be outraged if someone tried to justify war crimes by Iran on the same basis that the Israelis and Americans made them do it

    Post edited by nacho libre on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I don't think he is fully aware that Israel eliminated the food and water supply in Gaza in the name of self-defence.

    Not sure why ye continue to engage with someone so willfully ignorant of the world. If everyone ignores him, then his posts won't get quoted and we won't see them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Anybody know when the "Board of Peace" meets next?

    Somebody needs to ask Trump that question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    There is a tiny sliver of a chance that there is some sort of deal possible and Trump's threats of 48 hours are to let him walk away saying that is what caused it to happen. Tiny, but maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Perhaps Iran will agree to open the strait if they get a ceasefire. Isn't Trump sending a marine force there thst is still to arrive?

    Just so messy trying to negotiate with a narcissist like Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭moonage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    If the shlte on Twitter is to be believed, Iran is taking money for some ships to be allowed and is saying oil bought in yuan will be allowed. Trump is so dim, he might actually agree to something like that to open the strait and let the fall of the petrodollar begin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I think I am in the denial stage hoping there is some fantastical way out of this increasingly severe quagmire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭thomil


    That force I still a good bit away. USNI News reported on on the 18th that the strike group carrying the 31st MEU had passed the Straits of Malacca in Indonesia and had just entered the Indian Ocean. It'll probably take them another week at least until they arrive in-theatre. Interestingly, the landing ship USS San Diego has detached from the strike group and returned to port in Sasebo, Japan. No reason was provided for this, but it means that the 31st is no longer at full strength, as the Tripoli and New Orleans aren't big enough to transport the entire MEU on their own.

    Also, for those who are interested in US Navy deployments, I recommend keeping the eyes on the USNI's Fleet Tracker. This provides weekly updates on the positions of major US Navy assets, based on publicly available information. The US Naval Institute as such is a civilian non-profit that, whilst close to the US Navy, is independent of it. It was set up as a forum for naval officers to express ideas and concepts outside of the regular chain of command, and I've found it to be an excellent source of information. Their history section is great as well, and not limited to US authors either. Alex Pocklington (Drachinifel on YouTube) is publishing his book through the USNI Press.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    There may be if the American political system takes Trump away in a straight jacket.

    Of course ,if he actually achieves "success" (removal of Iran's embargo on oil and an end to its ability to build up a nuclear capability**) then maybe he will be given a pass to continue his demolition of American democracy (who would shed a tear?)

    **would that in itself precipitate a revolution in Iran?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭greyday


    yet Israel did exactly that to the Palestinians



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