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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Iranian air defence engaged another F15 over Hormuz island. Best be a bit more careful with all this air superiority they gained in one day. Maybe that was another Trump lie also, you never know.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭somenergy


    48 hours lights go out in the UAE dumb WH criminal conducting a war on truth social



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    So? Whole middle east is a schitshow. Every monarchy and dictatorship there does have prisons full of disidents, deal with protests similarly as Iran does. They even routinely imprison female members of ruling elites. Dismembering journalists at embassies. Israel is giving 5 year sentences for posting videos of iranian missiles damage…

    Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar and UAE do have capital punishment for homosexuality and adultery too.

    This war is no different from any other war in there. It is about land grab and resources grab. Narrative is always invented to cover real goals. Always something about babies, protesters and democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Not only that.

    They were so sure at the start of this tragic adventure with USA backing thinking Iran will fold in days. They actually started shifting crosshairs and went on saying that Turkey is the next. There are plans in motion that after Iran is dealt with Israel plan to destabilize Turkey because that is the next power which may and can hinder Israel expansion. It become obvious as both started clashing inside Syria. Israel now have Golan heights for good or so they think and went on to grab even more which Turks didnt like much as they do have their own plans there.

    If Iran folds (which I dont think so) you can bet Turkey will be the next domino they will try to topple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Shockingly stupid editorial in the UK Independent today.

    Editorial: Keir Starmer has pursued the right course of defending British interests, with force if necessary, and now it should join the international community in seeking to free the flow of trade to prevent global recession



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    UK tried to stay out, even destroying their “special relationship” {which was the right call by Starmer} and like dozens of countries who wanted nothing to do with this war … Still got attacked and continue to be attacked by Iran



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Jesus Christ change the bloody record. Does every single one of your posts have to mention that Iran attacked its neighbours? It was explained last week to you again several times the reason why Iran were attacking US assets in those countries. Some agree with that strategy, some don’t. That’s fine

    But every single one of your posts references it. Usually followed by it being a stupid strategic decision, with a load of “ifs” and hypotheticals about how it will lead to the ruination of Iran.

    It might, but it also might not. There’s no way of knowing at this moment. It’s a bizarre obsession you have with pushing this narrative that “if” these counties all join up to attack Iran back it will have been a stupid decision. It’s your opinion, and there’s not really any evidence to predict it happening at the moment.

    you consistently go on these crazy solo runs about the stupidity of it that has almost no basis in fact at this point in time. It’s unbelievably tiring reading the same post over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    I mention it because it’s not a war with two despicable parties

    But a war where more and more neutral and non belligerent states and people keep getting attacked by one of these parties

    Which is sort of important for us here in a neutral and defenceless country with deep links to US

    Seems all you are interested in is cheering for your deplorable team in this war for cheap internet points, instead of examining the repercussions this war {which is not a football match} would have on us, that’s your choice but I am here to discus things in a discussion forum about current affairs in a thread about a war with Iran, nor do the guidelines for this thread prohibit such discussion despite what your may wish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    It's only a few weeks since the US was on about invading Greenland. It's not Iran I'd be worried about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    That record is stuck in permanent loop.

    It was in fact brilliant strategy. By denying attackers using assets in neighboring countries and also actually forcing naval assets retreat thousand of km from intended targets Iran made this adventure 10x costlier for aggressors to the point that they are struggling to show they achieved something. Sure, they killed Khamenei which was replaced by more fervent Khamenei. Thats about it.

    Iran targeting assets in neighboring countries which were never neutral simply because they host these assets and hurting world economy pretty much assured their own survival. Holding control of traffic through Strait of Hormuz actually work better for them than any nuclear weapon could have.

    It is precisely frustration of being powerless which manifest in these shouts about "neutral countries". Not to mention that Iran distanced itself from some of these attacks pointing at classic "USS Liberty style" attempt of escalation trying to drag everyone around to this idiotic war.

    While Sunni wont hesitate attack Shia they wont be doing it if it would appear to be at Israel or US order or benefit. Sunni hate west and Israel equally if not more and given recent history nobody wonder why.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Which is a good point and just furthers mine, we are living in a world where rules and treaties and conventions are breaking down

    A world which is precisely that Irans little axis of resistance wanted for decades now, a world without rules and laws and concern for human rights and democracy, and now it’s not just Russia and Iran and China that are playing without rules but also Trumps America now

    And we sit here on this island right on the middle between the two blocks deluding ourselves in thinking that our neutrality will be somehow respected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Theres nothing we can do about it.

    We will never have a military.

    I doubt we are on anybody's hitlist anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    We can strengthen institutions like EU and try to push for a European NATO which includes UK, France, Germany, Poland, Ukraine

    That you are powerless and voiceless is exactly what authoritarian regimes likes Trumps, Xis, Putin’s and the mullahs of this world want you to think

    While they busy slugging it out we could be building up defences and resilience while making it clear to Trumps, Putin’s etc that they can f right off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Dont worry. I would not be losing too much of a sleep.

    Weather is shaite, no oil, no gas, no minerals in interesting quantity, not much of a land. We are desirable for social welfare only and that one is on a way out anyway considering there is and will be even more mouth to feed.

    We are basically wind breaker for UK and western europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,693 ✭✭✭yagan


    What we have learned after nearly a month.

    The USA's newest most expensive air kit, the F35 is vulnerable to passive infra red detectors that are not easy to counter, so no air dominance like in Gulf War I & II.

    Naval battle groups are vulnerable to land launched missile attack which means they have to retreat which greatly reduces their support effectiveness.

    Iranian first hand on the ground intel has been intimately accurate with US military assets hidden from satellite still been hit, like the four Thaad radar systems that cost half a billion each. One former head of the US middle east mission described it best when he said "they know our patterns".

    All the GCC members now appreciate that their security provider is now their greatest liability.

    Israel's Iron Dome is now a leaky sieve and they've effectively given up pretending that they're not sustaining damage in a war they started with Iran.

    Iran has been preparing for attack since 1979, and after 47 years attack came from a president in need of a distraction from revelations of participation in highly depraved sex trafficing and exploitation of minors.

    So to sum up, this war was started by unprepared actors with no strategy and no obvious off ramp that will satisfy anyone. The USA's role of the western economy has effectively been incinerated by a pyromaniac POTUS.

    If the GCC complies with Iran's terms for safe passage then the biggest impact will be on the USD in the long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    We are living in truly scary times. Trump's ultimatum is proof alone that he is irrational and childlike in his thinking. His utterings are inconsistent, at times incoherent and downright manic. I can see how Bibi got him on board to attack Iran. Plus the likes of Huckabee and Graham were itching for America to get into the ring with Iran.

    The attack on Arad is a taste of what Israel will face should they continue to trade blows with Iran. If Iran takes out desalination plants in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain and the UAE then the societies there will struggle to exist. There is sane rational logic as to why various U.S. Presidents didn't go to war with Iran. Trump is slowly learning why now.

    I don't see the Iranians bending to Trump's ultimatum. If so Trump will then have to follow through on his threat to bomb power plants or look like alot of hot air. I don't think his inflated ego allows him not to follow through. The only trump card the U.S. and Israel have is nuclear. Otherwise Iran holds more cards. The red sea hasn't been closed off yet. Desalination plants haven't been struck. They could break Israel's ability to function as a country.

    Trump has no obvious off ramps. Bibi doesn't seem to want one. God knows what shape Israel will be in once this is over. I suspect we would be shocked if we knew the true level of devastation in Israel. It is being hit around the clock with missiles from both Hezbollah and Iran. The Houthi's have yet to enter the fray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Putin will probably die with his country still stuck in Ukraine. If Russia is to be a threat to us it will depend on what sort of regime succeeds him.

    Very nervous for next 48 hrs. Hope there is a TACO or some sort of ceasefire.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,601 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Trump has boxed himself into a corner with that one. So, it's either a dramatic escalation, or a serious undermining of American posture (which has probably happened anyway).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭jackboy


    If the US pursues a strategy that leads to the desalination plants in the region being destroyed the results could be on par with a nuclear weapons attack or worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That record is well and truly broken. There is also alway a reference to things people are cheering (without any proof).

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


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    Explain this comment then @Cluedo Monopoly , seem awful cheerful at the prospect of millions of refugees being created by this growing Middle Eastern war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I see you are still persisting with the canard Israel has no agency in this to bring about peace. No doubt if all these things were to happen, you'll be then leading the calls for Israel to do as directed by the ICJ and end the illegal and violent occupation of the West Bank. Poor put upon and peace loving Israel, who just wants to live in peace, according to sheepysheep. Have you any other jokes to tell?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Are all Saudis, Bahrainis, UAE citizens also actively engaged in war against Iran.

    The Iran apologists on here have attempted to justify and legalise Iranian actions on the basis that they are attacking their neighbours' ordinary civilian infrastructure because the US used US bases in those countries to attack them.

    That is the exact same justification that Netanyahu used to attack Gaza. It also justifies and legalises the US and Israeli war against Iran if you use the same logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


    Your doubts are mislaid. This land has already been in the crosshairs of empires and states, and it will be again. Neutrality should not mean you need be defenseless. I really hope we never regret taking responsibility for our nations security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    People like to believe the F-35 sales blurb, and ignore some simple physics.

    Everything that goes through the sky spewing out 700 degree C exhaust is going to be visible against a -20 degree C sky, even with cheap ass kit.

    Likewise with the THAAD radars…. they use microwave frequencies which interfere with weather radars and SAR… so you can go to Maxar, pay 50 dollars are so, and make a good guess where they are if they are active.

    If I remember correctly, 2 of the systems hit were stored in the open for many years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


    Please. This is not a tabloid comments section or a Facebook post. What kind of nonsense are you taking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I would call it a brilliant short-term tactic by Iran, but it is nothing more than that.

    It is actually a disastorous long-term strategy. Iran's neighbours now know beyond all doubt that the Iranian regime cannot be trusted. Up until now, their neighbours didn't like Iran, but weren't bothered about what happened there. Now that Iran has attacked them directly, and made them suffer serious economic harm, they are not going to sit around and do nothing about it. They will double down on buying weapons from the US, but offensive weapons this time and they will do everything they can to destabilise the Iranian regime if it survives.

    A brilliant short-term tactic by a desperate cornered despotic regime but ultimately a disastorous long-term strategy that will seal their doom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Whereas you don't want Israel to be held to account for anything- bar the killing of sheep- that's seemingly a step too far for you. You can of course prove me wrong by condemning the IDF for killing civilians in the West Bank and blocking ambulances from attending the scene.

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