US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

No, they haven't attacked "pretty much everyone" in the past 40 years.

Who's everyone?

Lebanon, where Iranian backed Hezbollah run the south of the country.

Iran, which has a state-led goal of destroying Israel, and funds Hezbollah and Hamas to that end, which the Lebanese Government has even acknowleged in recent days.

To say they started the war for "no reason then to destablise the region" or "attack the only person that could oppose them" is illogical.

If Israel has no interest in peace, considers everyone an enemy, why have they had no conflict with Saudi, Egypt, Jordan for decades? Like, their actual neighbours, who are not thousands of miles away like Iran?

And why would Iran be the only state in the Middle East that could oppose them? Egypt and Saudi Arabia have incomparably bigger and better equipped militaries than Iran which is literally thousands of miles away.

Notwithstanding that Iran is thousands of miles away and has, for decades, a policy of attacking Israel via proxy networks of terror groups it directly supports, and funnelling the vast majority of military expenditure into ballistic missiles capable of hitting Israel.

Personally it seems to me that people are basing their thoughts on Iran/Israel based on what the latter is doing in Palestine, because Iran is up to its scalp in raging war on Israel long before these hostilities. Ask yourself why Iran does that.

It's because they want Israel destroyed. It really is just a fact, and it's not taking sides.

I've left Palestine out of it because it's a far deeper and more complex topic than a sentence can do justice to and I don't think anyone supports Israel in those actions.

But again, it seems to me that a lot of people look at what Israel is doing in Palestine and they translate that to Israel must be the bad player in every scenario.

talk of winding down the war earlier today has been replaced with a 48 hour deadline by trump for iran to open the strait of Hormuz or he will obliterate all their power plants starting with the biggest ...

of course iran have counter threatened

"Iran’s Armed Forces Unified Combatant has warned that if Iran’s fuel and energy infrastructure is attacked, all energy infrastructures belonging to the US in the region will be targeted, according to Iranian media."

Saudi Arabia ordered the Iranian Military Attache and his staff to leave within 24 hours, in response Iran fired 3 ballistic missiles at Riyadh. The Arabs can sleep at night knowing that these missiles don’t have nuclear warheads.

Interesting numbers, “More than 4911 Iranian rockets and drones targeted #Gulf countries versus 850 rockets on #Israel”

You say it’s a state goal of Iran to destroy the Israeli regime. It’s also a state goal of Israel to destroy the Iranian regime. This fact gets overlooked but they have launched 2 wars against Iran. Assassinated hundreds of scientists. Bombed their embassy, introduced damaging computer viruses. Committed acts of sabotage and terror, fermented dissent and supported groups seeking to overthrow the Iranian state.

It’s portrayed as a one way street where “tiny” Israel just wants to leave in peace and harmony with its neighbours.
It has always been, very much, a two way conflict.

As the Brits are supposedly seeing this one out what is the Sub meant to do. They'll hardly fire the two dozen or so missiles at Shaheds. That would be a really dumb and expensive use of the asset.

It's actually a big lumbering useless piece of kit if not going on the attack.

In common with many posters on here, Iran want the destruction of Israel itself, not just "the regime". To try and claim otherwise is just ridiculous. They dont want Israel to exist. They have stated this over and over and have been working towards this goal for many years via their funding of various groups. On the other hand, Israel have never wished for the literal destruction of iran, for them it really is just about the current theocratic regime that aims to destroy them. So its not really a "two way street" at all.

Israel killed their own PM Yitzak Rabin, to stop a deal. Satanyahu is widely believed to have been behind that. The American admins and CIA still fell fully square behind Isreal despite this.

Neither of those want a deal. The Americans want to control the middle east and Israel are the perfect tool to do so. Many indigenous Jews, true smites, said they were happier living side by side with the Palestinians pre 1948. The illegal establishment of the state created the problem in the same way the partion of NI did on this island.

The US and Britain have had it in for Iran since Mossadeagh. They created both these problems and continue to feed them by propping up the Israel regime.

the Iranian regime only needs a few mobile rocket squads hidden away in mountainous terrain to keep the strait closed. So even if their energy plant was destroyed, you’d still have no strait opened and a fcking angrier Iranian regime on your hands.

Trump doesn’t know how to de-escalate - and because this war never had a goal in the first place, except to bolster trumps ego and win some seats in the upcoming mid-terms, it’s very hard to know just what America could give Iran to make them back down- but the price will be significant- Iran has America and indeed the world over a “barrel” - they’re in a huge negotiation position and it wouldn’t surprise me that America are doing a secret deal with them right now.
Blow up their energy plant, and you can forget any ships passing this strait for the next decade- US and European warships won’t be able to defend against essentially gurrila type warfare on oil tankers by Iran.
Peaceful negotiation is the only way for this to settle down.

Now we have the the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq. They got attacked by the US last night, “maybe” to stop them attacking US facilities.

Them gulf states can seize all that dirty Russian and Iranian money stashed away mostly in real estate there and pay for plenty of anti drone defences