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Who are buying all the new houses?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Nearly half a century ago. I always think its a bit desperate in any argument for people to be comparing today to a half century ago. At that rate, if it was 1980 you would be comparing life the 1930s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Yet you're more than happy to use tropes and generalisations about the younger generation as your point of arguments? They're all just lazy and are spending €50+ a day on lunch and coffee as if this wasn't pure nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Its definitely harder to get a mortgage these days.

    I got mine back in 2007 even though I wasn't a high earner.

    I was in the SSIA scheme and used that as a deposit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I didn't hear any politicians or construction industry heads contradict him tbh. Surely the construction heads would let us know if the figures were incorrect.

    Only for government buying up everything most of em would be out of a job. Better to keep the head down n say nought!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    You dont read or listen at all. You take everything out of context and then lash out. No point engaging with you ata ll to be fair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I read every post, unlike the other poster who admits to not reading them.

    What have I taken out of context? I haven't lashed out at anyone on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    A very mature response in a discussion.

    Suppose I won't get a response to what I have taken out of context?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,573 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    As you were disagreed with.

    Ironic that you agree that I don’t read or listen when you said to a poster that you don’t read their points.

    Just keep trotting out the usual tropes and tell people to just get on with it when you’ve a number of properties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,573 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The level of discussion has gone down the toilet with so called “adults”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    There really is a case now to punish those behind international finance and releasing the condemnation of property development which now appears an honest honest living compared to the pervs in high finance and international finance and certain Ivy League Universities. I condemned the developers, not the small ones but the big ones like Dunne trying to build sky scrapers in D4 which facilitated the collapse. I was not involved in the Anglo development but connected to the people there non financially.

    The game has changed since Michael Davitt and land wars, there is no longer 90% of the land owned by the gentry and there is now a middle class and wealth in the country, private property development is the best for social mobility and to move forward small to medium property developers into and beyond the middle class.

    What we need to do to facilitate that is for FF to take back their public/private land/property schemes from the De Velera times and sixties off Eoin O'Broin and SF where the land is owned by the government or private land owners and the property is owned by the buyer - yes it existed back then and O'Broin ripped it off.

    And then we need to implement that and build on the vast land on the outskirts of the city and beyond into Wicklow Meath and Louth. Having said all that there are some large landowners who still exist and with a intent to hoard more land and crush out the little guy. O Broin and SF can still focus on that, while FF get the country moving forward again. I will stay with FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Ground rent is not popular in Ireland because of the culture around land ownership in Ireland.

    As soon as the small to medium property developers you mention become multimillionaires, they would be torn to shreds. There are small property developers who are multimillionaires; they have enough sense to keep their heads down, though.

    The last time it was the property developer who was the baddie, now it's international finance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    International finance is what pays for the new apartments we are seeing across the city.

    The goverment are trying to attract more finance in order to build even more homes.

    Removing international finance from the equation will lead to fewer properties being built and higher prices for the limited number of homes that do get built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    Sorry can I just clarify nobody in Irish finance dead or alive is in any way implicated with the sleaze I was referring to. That’s international finance.

    The Irish capitalist system tends to focus on growing business through community and people rather than opportunism, manipulation or control.

    And I’m a hypocrite I spoke about the developers being greedy when I was backing Ivy League schools. It was incredibly hypocritical and selfish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    The situation is as follows - I have waited 25 years for a woman i believed to be the love of my life, only to be discarded and left alone. Career suffered without someone to build with, without a partner to build a future with, and create goals to aim towards, waiting for someone and not folding was a shot in the dark and a bad bet to take with my future but it is done now. So basically, I now have to create a future for myself as a single person, on an average Irish income or just below. That leaves Tallaght and the outskirts in Dublin, or Wicklow and Wexford. Wouldn't go near Naas or Louth for obvious reasons.

    I know dozens and more, people in work, with families, who have gone out to Wexford and deep Wicklow. To me it is a blessing to have both on the doorstep of Dublin as two of the most beautiful counties outside Dublin. However, they all moved out there with families and partners to start families. I would be on my own, or perhaps with a partner, and sitting isolated in a dark house in the middle of nowhere for four five months every Winter, with only TV or Internet and one person. Now in that situation, of not being around many people, you lose touch with reality and I am sure that is what would happen to me. So you can except loads of disconnected with reality posts from me over the coming years if that ever comes to pass that I find a new partner and can buy with them down there.

    So its either buy an investment type rental property in Tallaght where i can access the city and all its amenities not have a family and end up becoming a Sinn Feiner, or potential family home in Deep Wicklow Wexford. Tallaght doesn't give me future family home - Wicklow does but is a risk in terms of having no partner and losing my mind. On the flip side us Dubs will go down and start cleaning up after the culchies, what else is there to do, they come to the city, takeover, and relegate us singletons to their hometowns, and possibly even marrying one, although that's not likely I don't go for hometown birds who have never up and left.

    It also disconnects me from a lot of falseness and phoniness, and people who pretend they give a sh1t when they don't, around Dublin which will be refreshing. BTW - I love SF and Tallaght - Tallaght as one of my prob favourite places and Sf beneath a few other parties but have family history in Crumlin Clondalkin so not being stuck up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So you can except loads of disconnected with reality posts from me over the coming years

    I think you’re already there to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    And for those of you who say I am a disgrace and don't deserve a woman with prejudices and sterotypes like that, obviously the post was laced with irony and sarcasm and wasn't meant literally, more poking fun at myself. And about the work thing, I don't compromise on my morals by sucking the testicles of other Dublin factions, like younger cohorts do, to get ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    36000 homes built last year, reasonable to assume 25%of them in Dublin?

    Less than 1% of them were sold to ordinary punters. There is no housing market unless it's the government paying over the odds for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    38% were built in Dublin.

    58% in Dublin and the mid east/ Dublin region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Could that work in Ireland and if not why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭bored65


    A trailer park? Yes it work but people would keep moaning as not many would want to live in one when they can keep lobbying the government and various local authorities to provide them with detached or semid houses and keep snapping up all the housing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    There are no cars parked and no private garden which might be an issue in Ireland, plus lumping everyone with a low income together never seemed to work in Ireland, culturally the Dutch are very different to us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    A little bit from column A, and a little bit from column B - some of it has to do with supply and demand, more of it has to do with skyrocketing costs, more of it has to do simply with property inflation in particular, but in terms of the rental market, the vast majority of it is landlords being notoriously greedy, and if they don’t get what they want, they exit the market as renting their properties are no longer a viable business investment -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2026/0322/1564358-landlords-politics/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Do they have storms in the Netherlands? Those look like they'd end up in the next parish.

    What's this about with the canvas cover? Rougher than a Badgers arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It depends on what you mean by ‘work’. We have a similar model in Ireland already, they’re called halting sites. It works about as well as one would expect - lack of adequate sanitation facilities and electricity are two of the greatest impediments to it’s popularity, very little to do with cultural differences between Ireland and the Netherlands, and it would come nowhere near addressing the issues with housing availability and affordability.

    The fact that example given in the article is proposed by a politician in Australia with a PhD in urban development, is perhaps the most perplexing part 🤨


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124331920/#Comment_124331920


    Funny you should ask that, as it’s yet another example of how the Netherlands is promoting ideas that wouldn’t be remotely feasible here either -

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220202-floating-homes-the-benefits-of-living-on-water

    Neither are positive steps, it doesn’t matter how pragmatic the Dutch are perceived to be, neither of those ideas, which are done on a tiny scale, would be feasible on a national scale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Funny you should ask that, as it’s yet another example of how the Netherlands is promoting ideas that wouldn’t be remotely feasible here either -

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220202-floating-homes-the-benefits-of-living-on-water

    Neither are positive steps, it doesn’t matter how pragmatic the Dutch are perceived to be, neither of those ideas, which are done on a tiny scale, would be feasible on a national scale.

    Very true. Here's the Irish version of the Dutch homes on water initiative 😁:

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