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Couple Ordered to Demolish House - any update?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I would safely say that within my lifetime this is the most gratifying use of my tax money that I've ever seen.

    Call it schadenfreude if you like, but I'm loving it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Imagine how much money Meath County Council would have to fill those potholes if they had not spent it defending all these court cases and appeals.

    What is wrong with people in this country and their inability to direct anger at the cause of the problem (in this case the couple) and not at whatever agency is tasked with cleaning the mess up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    I honestly don't know what you are on about. The council did not happen across this house in the course of their planning compliance checks. As another poster said, maybe they should have checked the location of a refused planning decision on the grounds of a sanitisation clause on the land? Planning sections often claim a lack of resources to initiate the compliance checks and therefore rely on complaints.

    Yes, they pursued the complaint because they have to. Again, what if no complaint was made? Would they have inspected the site ? We won't know, but something tells me that they never would have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    When I suggested they check refused sites, I was aware that most council planning departments don't have the resources to even investigate all reported unauthorised developments as it stands. That's the first thing that needs fixing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Moreso it's a reflection of a mentality, mostly rurally, that reporting anyone to the authorities for illegal behavior is a no no.

    A member of the public did complain. Given the location, it was most likely a neighbour. Local people do follow planning applications and would have known planning was refused.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    meh, they need better headline writers

    Front Page Irish Daily Star 21/03/2026


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    What has “up in Dublin” got to do with it?
    It’s a local authority issue.

    I’d be very skeptical of the apparent support they are claiming to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I was just thinking of previous posts in this thread where you had people who steadfastly claimed the house would never be demolished and got very argumentative about it. Then the claims that the local Council were useless and would never follow through with the enforcement process. There was one poster who said he would wager a 50 Euro bet on it and if he lost he would donate the money to charity. We even had a guy who had reliable information from his cousin who lived near the Murray's that the demolition work had already begun back in December.

    There will now be a big demand for humble pie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Novice Self-Build


    When you experience joy at seeing a family home demolished, you have made some terrible life decisions to make you so bitter.

    Planning decisions are often inconsistent and contridictrty at best, all of which are dangerous precedents.

    Hopefully this media spectacle will drive much needed improvements in the planning system which is a major contributor to the current housing crisis.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There's words like 'joy' and 'outrage' and the like being used too often in this thread...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    You can have the best planning rules in the world but they don't mean anything if the likes of the Murrays just ignore them and the multiple court losses!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yeah just blame the system instead of the people abusing it.

    Maybe spending 20 years refusing to comply with a planning decision and going on national media whinging about it isnt the best way to avoid a 'media spectacle'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭pauly58


    What are his legal costs ? High court & then Supreme court, I wouldn't like to be his solicitor either. Plumbing game must pay very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Oddly enough I agree with you that the planning system is in need of a bit of an overhaul but that's as far as agreement goes. I didn't see a family home built on that site but rather an unauthorised structure built by (and I'm being nice here) a very stubborn couple who manipulated and abused every aspect of planning laws and legal processes in this little country of ours. So yes the planning system needs updating so as to prevent these type of people from ever laying 2 blocks together without the proper permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Cole train


    People are experiencing joy at finally see justice, everything else is just emotive nonsense. In actual fact, them being chased into poverty for costs would be justice, they're actually getting off lightly for the money wasted for their hubris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,882 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I worked as a local authority planner for 8 years.

    Planning is only half the equation. The Councils also have an enforcement function under the building control legislation, which is written to include inspection, intervention and injunction.

    This illegal build should never have got to the stage of being complete. It should have been shut down in the site clearance and groundworks phase.

    But, unfortunately, Building Control is not nearly well enough funded in the local authority system, and so we end up with illegal development and also legacy issues like schools and apartment buildings with insufficient fire protection, and mineral contamination in the construction industry, such as mica and pyrite.

    More money spent up front on robust building control and systemic regulation could stop much of this crap long before it becomes a costly legal headache for the taxpayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Any update? Has the monstrosity been flattened?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a house on phibsborough road which was refused retention permission for an extension, in 2022 and AFAIK the extension is still there. i wonder will the result of this case give the owners pause for thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,104 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Duplicate

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,104 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,104 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If it was there longer than 7 years it cannot be demolished. Often ownes go for retention to regularise the planning but a refusal will not mean the council can enforce there judgment.

    The Catch for the owner is they cannot get planning for any other action until they are planning compliant

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭gipi


    Here's the next one to watch - the Sutton extension, built 6 years ago, and must be demolished in the next few months. Long-running dispute with the council here too.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2026/03/02/owner-of-dublin-home-given-eight-months-to-demolish-extension/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Rose continues to spin and is coming 'home' Sunday alt link. Appears CoCo will pursue them for €€€€€€s, and rightly so

    In response to queries about how much the demolition bill is expected to be and the Murrays’ claims that it will be footed by the taxpayer because they cannot afford it, CoCo say: “As this is an ongoing legal matter, Meath County Council has no further comment to make at this time.”

    Get the spectator-watch bus ready @adaminho!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I heard she'll be having a bucket collection at the top of the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Dr.Tom




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Diddly Squat


    The Facebook mob are gas, they're the very ones that complain about the rich and how corrupt ireland is and brown envelopes blah blah blah but if the couple had won a last minute appeal to stop the demolition they'd all be up in arms about how its a corrupt system and only the rich can get away with building a house without planning etc etc. They seem to have a very healthy respect for people whom they see as flouting rules and going against the system but also seem ro hate it when someone successful does something they think is wrong and calls it corruption



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,832 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    A couple of things

    I agree the house had to go. Planning permission wasn’t granted and it was pure arrogance to build it.
    To everyone saying it was a horrible house and a monstrosity, I’d say that imagine we were in a crazy weird hypothetical scenario where Meath Co Co took over the house, made it all legal and compliant, and offered it in a raffle for 1 euro per ticket to recoup their costs… can you honestly say that you wouldn’t buy a ticket? And anyone saying they wouldn’t is lying.

    Finally, to the people up in arms on about this poor family being made homeless by this….. do you REALLY think that the Murray’s would give you the steam off their piss if you were in their situation?? The Murray’s think they are better than you. So why are you getting annoyed on their behalf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    They're just morons who want to give out about the government and authority in all forms. They're blind to the fact one rants contracticts the next.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    It is absolutely a poor house, and very badly designed. There's more to designing a 600sqm house than making all the rooms stupidly big. I mean, look at the master bedroom. Looks to be 50sqm, and somehow, nowhere to put anything. No place for wardrobes is comical. Stick using the area behind the bed, which is in the roofspace. Massive ensuite that doesn't have a shower, just space.
    It is objectively a poor designed house, presumably as it is do solo, on the hush, without professionals.

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    To everyone saying it was a horrible house and a monstrosity, I’d say that imagine we were in a crazy weird hypothetical scenario where Meath Co Co took over the house, made it all legal and compliant, and offered it in a raffle for 1 euro per ticket to recoup their costs… can you honestly say that you wouldn’t buy a ticket?

    Meath Co Co don't own the property so they can't use it to recoup costs.
    But if they did, whether I bought a ticket is entirely to do with now many tickets are sold and not how good the house. If it was +EV to enter the raffle I would, with the intention to see off the place instantly.



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