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Is Obama considering a 2028 Run? Cryptic video posted by the Obama Foundation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    In all fairness Vladimir Putin switched roles with Demitri Medev Prime Minister, that worked for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Where? The constitution is probably a good place to start.
    Specifically the amendment from ~1800 that structures how president/VP elections work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

    https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    And the eligibility criteria for President as set out in the Constitution is as follows:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    There is nothing in that sentence that says a two-term President cannot be VP.

    There is this clause in the 22nd Amendment:

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice. There is nothing that says a two-term President can take on the role following the death/resignation of a President.

    You lads are looking at the US Constitution as if it is a black and white document. However, if you pay any attention to the SCOTUS, you will know that it is far, far, far from the case. And if you don't think there's enough ambiguity there for a SCOTUS (which essentially gave Trump absolute Presidential immunity for f*ck's sake) to rule Trump can run as VP then you are very naive and a lot more trusting of the branches of US government than I am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    You'd think it was straightforward,but if you read up on it there's apparently a lot shade legally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I know there are plenty of grey areas but would it would be allowed to be tested in time for 2028? He would have to announce it pretty early to allow the SCOTUS to rule on it.

    Post edited by adaminho on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Obama is constitutionally ineligible to be president cause he has been elected twice which automatically results in this clause kicking in "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Since you didn’t read my post above, I’ll say it again.

    Serving two-terms isn’t listed under constitutional eligibility criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There is nothing in that sentence that says a two-term President cannot be VP.

    Because it was written 150-ish years before the two-terms rule existed. Expecting a references to be there is pretty silly.

    There is this clause in the 22nd Amendment:

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    Which is a constitutional eligibility criteria.

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice. There is nothing that says a two-term President can take on the role following the death/resignation of a President.

    This argument is not new. It might hold if the VP was selected by the POTUS pose election, but that's not how it works. Under the 12A, the election of the president includes that of the VP.

    However, if you pay any attention to the SCOTUS, you will know that it is far, far, far from the case. And if you don't think there's enough ambiguity there for a SCOTUS…

    SCOTUS confirmed that term limits are a qualification to office in a 1995 supreme court case. It could be re-tested in court, but at it stands the legal interpretation is that the 12A includes the term limits of the 22A.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Listening to a pod over the weekend outlining the very simple process that would allow trump to have another term. Some have mentioned it here already I think.

    JD Vance goes for the top job in 2028 and somehow the US voters vote for him. He then becomes president but only for a short time, he resigns or whatever its called and in steps his appointed VP - The Donald.

    All done and legal and above board, nothing in constitution to stop this. Of course the big hurdle is Vance actually getting elected. Would the US Voting public go for a third time voting Republican? It would not surprise me at all TBH - especially if the Dems dont rise to the occasion at all, which is also possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Not that simple at all. No person not eligible for president can run as vice president.

    It would also likely be challenged in court if he did attempt it and no doubt the spirit of the constitution would be upheld.

    Only chance he has is to change the constitution.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Beyond anything else, given the increasingly untrammelled power that comes with the office of the US President and the essentially zero power that comes with the office of Vice President, why wouldn't Vance just say "nah **** it, I'm staying".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    More chance of the American public voting for Donald Duck I'd say than Vance and Trump.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Given the recent toe-dipping posts Trump has made about another term, I'd say he has legal advisors looking at every possible option to get him in. The lack of certainty in his posts would lead me to think that they've found nothing yet.

    Nonetheless, if Trump changes things to allow him to become POTUS beyond a second term, then I'd assume that Obama could also avail of that option just to help keep him out.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I still don't think Trump will make it to the end of his term. His health won't hold out I suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    There's a chance of impeachment if he loses the midterms. Might reign in his madness at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Trump has to run for a third term, day one where he was meant to usher in the golden age starts then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,263 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    You can't be vice President if you were President though I think. Here you go.

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    Only if a president has served one term can they be Vice President . Why would a former President want to do that though?

    Delighted so Trump hopefully will not get a 3rd teem even if he sees out this term.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,484 ✭✭✭trashcan


    All fair points. Though he did call Gavin Newsome the President of the United States last week…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,484 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Not an expert on the US Constitution, but I've seen it said that you have to be eligible to be President in order to run as VP. Plus Vance is obviously a power hungry little weasel in his own right, so why would he step aside if elected ?



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