US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

I suspect the Saudis have other concerns at this time

all this war will do is make the plight of the Palestinians worse

Whom are also now “collateral damage” to Iranian regimes lashing out at everyone around them

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I think we need to be a bit more nuanced here.

And we also have to seperate Palestine, Gaza and the West Bank from Lebanon and Iran.

Lumping them all in together as some overall packaged conspiracy about a greater Israel is simply brute forcing a complex situation with varying context into a simple one.

So you have Gaza and Palestine, not just the war with Hamas but general conditions, signalling of intentions and illegal settlements prior to that. I don't think there's too much positive to say about Israel in that regard.

Lebanon is very different. Israel occupied Southern Lebanon before and withdrew, for the same reasons as it says it's doing now. Now you don't have to believe them, but at least people shouldn't pretend it's a crazy illogical action when Southern Lebanon is controlled by Hezbollah.

We shouldn't take a position that because Israel is doing what it's doing in Palestine, that everything it does is wrong or driven by some sort of expanionist madness.

Lebanon itself does not majority support Hezbollah and in the last fortnight we've had the Lebanese Government openly say they want Hezbollah disarmed because, and I quote literal Minsiters, they are acting entirely in Iranian interests, not in Lebanon's interest.

Lebanon has it's own armed forces entirely seperate from Hezbollah's paramilitary but the status quo remains because the last thing they want is a brutal civil war, hence the appeals for international help.

Israel handed back Sinai and hasn't had a problem with Egypt for over 50 years. Israel has no conflict with Jordan, or Saudi Arabia.

Because those countries are not attacking Israel, funding third parties to attack Israel, nor are attacks coming from those countries into Israel.

As for Iran, again, since 1979 it's been obsessed with destabilising and destroying Israel. It's entirely military strategy over decades has been based around war with Israel, and developing a proxy network and ballistic capabilities.

Prior to 1979 Israel and Iran had no quarrel at all, and again it bears reminding that there's a massive geographic gulf between them.

Ask yourself why Iran is so obsessed with that goal despite being thousands of kilometers away, what's driving them. It's absolutely not in solidarity with Palestine and Oct 7th was the breaking point for Israel realistically in terms of taking the gloves off with regard Iran.

Again, to me, that's not remotely illogical or difficult to understand, and I've always said Iran right now is lying in a bed it deliberately crafted for itself over decades, notwithstanding absolutely nobody wants an Iraq 2.0 or the consequences of the war.

So to answer your question, what would happen if Hamas and Hezbollah "went away". It's impossible to answer with accuracy, but I'd say it's been made clear Lebanon predicts a better future without Hezbollah and I don't see any reason that wouldn't be true, nor do I see any reason to believe Israel intends long term to seize significant parts of Lebanon.

As for Palestine, the future for Gaza and the West Bank doesn't look particularly great in truth, but it can only be "less bad" with a fundamentalist group like Hamas removed from the equation.

Reports from Al Jazeera that Iran has struck Dimona in Southern Israel, home of Israels nuclear program. Follows Israeli strike on Natanz which is linked to Irans nuclear program (at least was in June).

Appears to be a lot of missiles getting through tonight

Firefighters say extensive damage in Israel’s Arad after ‘direct hit’

Direct hit and extensive damage.

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Hospital in Arad declares state of emergency after missile attack

The hospital in Arad, southern Israel, has declared a state of emergency after an Iranian missile attack injured at least 70 people, Israeli media reports.

Israel cannot complain to the International Atomic Energy Agency because they do not possess nuclear capability….. apparantly

Reports of dozens of injured.

To some that's all it is.

The Iranian regime killed tens of thousands of its own people during the protests.

Women are treated terribly there. The regime won't allow its people to have personal lives outside of marriage. It has capital punishment for adultery and homosexuality. The Iranian "Morality Policy" murdered Mahsa Amini when she didn't wear the Hijab veil.

Sorry but trying to downplay Iran executing people for protesting as somehow the fault of the US/Israel is madness.

The Chief of Police in Iran literally threatened that anyone protesting would be shot a few days ago.

Iran is a brutal repressive fundementalist regime. There is really no reason whatsoever to make excuses on its behalf.

The "fog of war" is probably more attributable to Iran's generally repressive regime, severing of the internet during protests, and deployment of militia and security forces to murder protestors.

Danny Davis gives background on how the USA collapsed the Iranian currency and sent arms to people to infiltrate the protests and cause chaos.

https://www.youtube.com/live/SqNKbjmgpd8?is=mdt9OVB8EgW5BPU1

Women and homosexuals were treated terribly in Ireland 30 years ago. Do you think sanctions and bombings by the USA would have improved their treatment?

II personally find it very off putting the arguments used to attack and murder people in Iran.

II don't believe you're sorry at all. Simple question, do you condemn the killing of 165 schoolgirls by the USA?

You seem to reserve all your ire for iran. iran is brutal and repressive to you which implies nuclear armed USA murdering schoolgirls in an unprovoked attack is not brutal and repressive.

Your evidence rests on a statement by police that they will shoot protesters. What do you think would happen in the UK if people protested against the government during ww2. What did they do to spies?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/28/britain-nazi-spies-mi5-second-world-war-german-executed

Did it ever occur to you that iran has been on a war footing for decades and are not living a luxury lifestyle like eesternersy. Instead, they've decades of intergenerational trauma.

Women and homosexuals were not being executed, unlike in Iran. Iran is consistently in the top 3 countries for executions.

Not sure where to begin here.

Firstly, it's 2026, not 1943.

Secondly, the Iranian Chief of Police blanket threatened all protesters, not "spies", and this comes on the back of a bare minimum of thousands killed in protests earlier this year.

Next, by that yardstick, Israel has also basically been on a war footing since the foundation of the state and I don't see them mass executing domestic protestors, so regardless of what Israel is doing in Palestine, I can't see how that could possibly pass as justification for such actions by Iran.

Lastly, I have no idea how you can deduct me condeming Iran for murdering thousands of protestors and threatening future protestors being tactit support for the US bombing a school, that's just ridiculous.

The fact you say "Iran seems brutal and repressive to you" says a lot. It's an objective and internatioanlly recognised fact, not an opinion.

The same way that Hitler, Stalins, Pol Pots, Kim Jongs, Putins totalitarian regimes are objectively repressive and brutal.

And besides, if Iran has "decades of intergenerational trauma" then so does Israel. After all, it was invaded repeatedly by coaltion armies intent on destroying the state. But what does that excuse when it comes to murdering people, at home or abroad? Absolutely nothing.

None of this is support, or endorsement of Israel or its actions, before you start going that direction, but facts are facts. I don't wave any flags or candles for Israel or the US, but you seem very intent on downplaying the evil nature of the Iranian regime.