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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Deub


    Out of curiosity, why didn’t you do it with these numbers?

    Personally, I m skeptical that solar energy is the future for few reasons:

    • Reliance on China: they control rare minerals and produce over 89% of solar panels. We would move away from relying from several countries on oil to only one country for solar panels. I don’t like putting all my eggs in the sale basket.
    • The economics of it may make sense to do it now because of the state incentive but the government could dramatically decrease it if too many people use it and There was a precedent as it is what Spain has done few years ago making solar suddenly a lot less attractive.
    • The main problem with solar is how are we going to produce enough energy in winter when we need the energy the most.

    I am not against solar energy but like everything in life, it has to be in moderation. We see it currently, we rely too much on oil so we need to develop several sources of renewal energy that can be generated using tools built by many countries. Only then, we would be independent on energy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    People seem to have short memories about the last time people used to say something in this country is “a no brainier” and a great investment due to government policies {that can change} and external circumstances {that can also rapidly change} and line go up herd mentality

    Those who were sceptical came out better on the other side of post Celtic tiger bust



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    SEAI grant is paid upfront so at the time you invest its either there or its not. It isn't in a position to be rugpulled.

    Payback on solar is mainly bases on offsetting your own usage (exporting pays less), so unless electricity prices drastically drop in coming years, I think solar is a safe investment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I like solar, in my circumstances where I have cheap solid fuel my own turf and forestry for timber, I plan on doing pv and linking the solar to immersions in the buffer tank and hot water cyclinder along with a coils for the solid fuel stove and oil boiler. I presently have oil boiler but down the line if the higher temperature heat pumps advance more i would seriously consider changing. I would be able to link them all up and my stove and the solar would be doing 90% of the work, I would only need the heat pump like my oil boiler as back up or boost whenever I need it.

    Loads of options out there now and loads of good ways to link systems. I think a mix of a few options like that is the best bet. Pigeon holing yourself into just one option not matter how great it may sound and be now I don’t think is a good idea - as Europe learned their lesson from pigeon holing themselves into Russian gas, we all know how well that has turned out for the German economy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Deub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭amacca


    Point being you are not dependent on China for the sun......once you have the panels you have presumably decades of life from the panels etc

    It's not like oil where once you burn it you need more of it on a regular basis....with oil if you don't make it yourself then you are dependent....with solar you are buying the converter...the solar energy itself is not something China has to deliver etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Deub


    You would need new solar panel regularly though (new construction, defective, damaged, etc). Solar panel have a life expectancy of 25 to 30 years so after a while you would be to square one again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im not convinced we can eventually run all our energy needs via renewables at all, of course they will play a critical role, but i believe we re gonna have to run nuclear along side it, or its gonna be fossil fuels along side renewables



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭amacca


    A mix...still need some gas for base load....but increasing battery with various discharge duration I'd say



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    unfortunately yes, we re stuck with fossil fuels, possibly forever, as we may never accept alternatives such as nuclear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    The interconnector with France means we'll be importing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    A Nuclear plant would be an implementation/construction nightmare given our NCH experience. Lots of smaller scale energy projects would be more manageable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Greyian


    25-30 years gives a bit more flexibility than needing to top up the car every week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    While it is a fact that currently there needs to be a controllable power source to maintain grid integrity, the technology in energy storage is improving all the time to the point where a fossil fuel power may become like a hospital back up emergency generator; there when you need it but not always needed.

    Anyway back to present events.

    I had always assumed most big airlines bought forward contracts for around six months supply to ride out such fuel spikes as we're seeing now. However all the major US airlines gave up fuel hedging, possibly because since 2019 the USA became the world leading refined fuels exporter so they reckoned big gov will bail them out if needed.

    Refined gasoline at the pump is now 50% up from January and still rising, so Trump will need an off ramp with Iran or major US companies will go bust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    be grand, until its not! what if france requires more power for itself, and decides to turn it off!

    i wouldnt be overly worried about nuclear anyway, it just aint gonna happen, we re just gonna keep ourselves exposed to international fossil fuel markets, and all that entails, such as unexpected price inflation, and that ll be that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    Theee was thst hydro project talked about up west using wind to keep pumping up to a resevoir and hydro - spirit of Ireland. I think sea water to flood a land area was a concern but as a concept worth revisiting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭engineerws




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    People’s pension pots are been hit badly since Israel/USA has attacked Iran - some indices down over 10% with worse to come possibly .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Correct, that is why the Interconnectors are being constructed with government contributions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Strong selling to who then?. Its one big massive export market. Nothing else. Replicas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    all for interconnectors, but what happens if countries on the other end run low or out of energy for themselves!

    china be grand, the west is far more exposed in all of this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Deub


    How can China be grand?

    Where can they expand to cover the shortfall from Europe and US if they are in trouble?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    The Chinese propaganda machine on social media is incredible to behold as if one thinks about it for more than minute empty statements like “china be grand, the west is far more exposed in all of this!” are not grounded in reality

    China gets

    60% sulfur (needed for fertiliser and chemicals industry)

    58% oil

    56% other fertilisers

    30% gas

    From the gulf

    Their economy is obviously not completely isolated despite the collective “wisdom” as otherwise they wouldn’t be importing so much in first place, and reserves would run out fairly quick with no other region or country being able to fill these gaps

    Meanwhile US only imports 2% from region and Europe 18%

    That’s before we get to Saudi Arabia who are getting very very pissed off about being repeatedly attacked by Chinese buddies in Iran and are in a defensive alliance with Pakistan whom also have a sizeable military and a population multiples of Iran

    Or US who have marines on way to the gulf on the multiple amphibious assault carriers who may start capturing Hormuz and key islands and a naval blockade is imposed with ships seized or having to pay a tax, you can bet the orange buffoon on Whitehouse would go “oooh tarrif on Iran, sounds great” and “America gets proceeds from loot first”

    Then there is this idiotic clapping one can see in parallel thread every time Iran attacks yet another one of their non aligned and non belligerent neighbours that has the potential to escalate this war to WW3 when global recessions be the least of our worries. We should all be praying this war doesn’t spread further and keep escalating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭kyote00


    in the 1920s, a broken penniless state managed to build a hydroelectric station in Ardnacrusha - overseen by a 25 year old project mgr and built by Siemens .

    Surely 100 years later - we can go again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭jackboy


    We can't. In those days such large projects were vastly less complicated in many ways. Essentially you could just plough on with no rules to stop you. Things could be done fast and objectors could be just told to f off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭wassie


    A pointless statistic without context.

    That figure is high because they are self sufficient in coal and renewables.

    But they still import the vast majority of their gas and oil.

    Which is still needed as an input for petrochemicals, fertiliser, aviation and long haul transport (road and shipping).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    84.6% self-sufficient is spin. If you still have to import energy, you are not self sufficient. China is extremely vulnerable to imports and everyone knows it. They live of ripping of the world, including buying discounted oil from terrorists like Venezuela and Iran.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    They buy oil exports from that terrorist state the usa too.



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