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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    So in the context of striking a UK base, after the UK announced it was granting permission for the US to launch attacks upon Iran?
    Perfectly legal and aimed at a military target.

    A response to aiding an aggressor in attacks upon Iran.
    If "pre-emption" is justifiable as the casus belli for the attack on Iran by the US & Israel?
    Surely the same justification applies here to at least the "launch"?
    That said, given that permission was granted a few hours at least before the press release?
    I would argue that it wasn't pre emptive and that Hezbollah or whomever did launch the drone, had the capability to abort.
    But? As the UK had at that point confirmed that the US would be launching strikes, that it was a legitimate target.

    The only one of the nations hit so far in the ME by Iran that can genuinely feel aggrieved to be a target, is IMHO, Oman.

    The rest, including Azerbaijan operated as either US bases or Israeli intel nodes.
    Even Turkey, which Iran has denied targeting but which operates one of the only still intact AN/TPY2 radars in the middle East that can still track Ballistic Missile launches and extend BMD alert time to give better intercept chance.
    Personally, I think Iran would be morons to strike a NATO member, but who knows what the outcome of their post decapitation mosaic strategy would have on target choices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    Have they?

    So far they shot down three US fighter planes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Economics101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    In your rush to defend one deplorable regime in a thread about another deplorable leader you are forgetting that UK bases were attacked at a time when UK loudly and repeatedly made it clear they don’t want to be involved in Trumps war, they are involved now but let’s not rewrite history

    You are also wrong about Azerbaijan whom hate the US as the US is helping their enemies in Armenia, they are also Shia and ethnically share same blood as large chunk of Iranian population not have any foreign bases or even refuelling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    There is no defence of the Iranian regime in any of my posts.
    There is an outlining of the fact that the drone strike on Akrotiri occured after Starmer announced that the US was granted permission to operate from UK bases.
    Ergo it was a strike upon a nation providing aid to a nation bombing Iran, a legal target.

    As for Azerbaijan and your linking of any assistance they offered with the US?
    Weird, I never said they were a US ally.

    You would perhaps be interested in who their main defence partners are perhaps?
    And their Israeli drone and air defence systems.
    It's long been an open secret in OSINT circles that Azerbaijan allows Israeli dron access to Northern Iran.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    On the contrary, I think most people (honest people anyway) know full well who the major player is in this war. It's clear to anyone who's been paying even a little bit of attention to events over there that this is Israel's war, and Netanyahu whispered some sweet nothings in Trump's ear to get his support. Israel have been gagging at the bit to start a conflict with Iran for years because Iran, irrespective of how one feels about them, acts as a bulwark against their aggressive moves in the middle east and Israel wants that obstacle removed in part or in whole. Trump is the only President dumb enough to drag his nation into a completely unnecessary war and Netanyahu played all the right notes to get him to do so.

    People talk about the war in terms of Trump/Hegseth/oil because that is what they easily see on the TV and media…and the price of goods (it's not only oil that will go up) affects everyone (except the bastards that started the war of course). Israel have actually been conspicuous by their absence in western media even though they've been carrying out the bulk of the attacks. So much so, there were even silly rumours going around that Netanyahu was dead. So when Trump or someone in his clown show comes out with some bit of gibberish or another lie about this war that is what a lot people see/hear and then subsequently talk about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    buying equipment from countries doesn’t make them allies, that’s nonsense

    What’s next claims that Ireland is ally of US because we have so many American companies and have macdonnalds? Hence if we get attacked {since attacking neutral states is in fashion now} with missiles like the one used today with range to reach Dublin from Iran we deserve it?

    Anyways that’s all going off on a tangent now let’s get back to bashing Trump, who deserves all the criticism going his way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    If you can't take all Tony's blurb then just takeaway This:

    "Netanyahu whispered some sweet nothings in Trump's ear to get his support."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Israel is long rumoured to operate it's own Heron drones from Azerbaijan for direct surveillance of Northern Iran, using the fact that they also operate those drones as a layer of plausible deniablity.
    Do you not grasp that or are you just being performatively argumentive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Again with rumours and conspiracy theories and no concrete reporting to back up the statements

    We should be doing everything to support neutrality instead of cheering for those (which is a form of warmongering) who are trying to spread their war to dozen or more countries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The only one of the nations hit so far in the ME by Iran that can genuinely feel aggrieved to be a target, is IMHO, Oman.

    Why?

    Fuel dumps in the port of Duqm and the port of Salalah were targeted which are used by US forces who are currently attacking Iran so, therefore, it's an entirely legitimate target in war.

    If there is any grievance that Oman may have, and it's a slim one, is that a drone landed in an industrial area in Sohar. Whether that was the actual target or not or the drone fell short remains unclear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Because Oman were genuinely trying to be a peaceful mediator and interlocutor.
    They went public prior to the US/Israeli strikes with their belief that a deal was imminent in an effort to I believe make known the deal was there to be had and that action was an overt act of aggression.

    I don't know enough about the fuel dumps there to say one or the other that they're US specific.
    But, if they are?
    And if that's what was targeted, then it's a legitimate target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The US has had an agreement with Oman to use the ports of Duqm and Salalah since 2019. They're an important asset in US naval ops in the middle east and are used for refuelling and maintenance. Iran attacking fuel installations there to disrupt enemy maneuvers is a bog standard military tactic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Of course its primarily rumour, thats how using plausible deniability works.
    Its how OSINT works unless one is relying solely upon counting trucks and verifying destroyed equipment.
    There is widespread reporting of it and whether you or indeed anyone at all gives it credence?
    Is entirely their own call.
    However, I give it a reasonable likelihood of being true ;)

    https://iranwire.com/en/news/144461-iranian-mp-says-guards-saw-israeli-drones-enter-from-azerbaijan-during-june-war/

    To add to the rumours however, is that much like the weapons launched against Turkey.
    Is that Iran has denied it launched any weapons against Azerbaijan.
    Unlike the Turkey launches, it has explicitly lain the blame for the Azeri incursion on Israel.
    Personally?
    I don't buy that Israel false flagged the airport attack, not worth enough to them in the grander scheme.
    It was an Iranian drone attack and I think thats pretty clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭bog master


    An interesting opinion piece on why "boots on the ground" will be necessary for the U.S. to achieve its goal, well maybe one of many stated so far.

    https://www.ms.now/opinion/trump-iran-hormuz-air-power-regime-change-winning-war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Boots on the ground to trigger regime change in a country the size of Iran, the terrain It is made up of and with a population of 90 million is beyond the scope of any 1 country even the US.

    The only viable reason for boots on the ground is to secure the strait but good luck being able to extracate themselves from that this century if they were to go ahead with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Actually now that you mention it, where are all those absolutely disgusting gobdaws that used to frequent western media during the Gaza murder spree, refuse to answer direct questions but just spout the Netanyahu propaganda through the interviews. Most of them got found out and made absolute fools of themselves but I didn't expect them to disappear. There was a lad with a British accent that was exceptionally dishonest. Money for lies.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They scuttled back under the fridge when the light came on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,288 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    David Mencer?

    He is a British zionist who was head of the foreign group that infiltrated British politics styled as Labour Friends of Israel



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,147 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    The Spanish conquistadors (the sons who didn't inherit the farm) conquered South America because they had nothing to loose. You don't want to push your enemy there because that's when you reach

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodzillaThreshold

    "Desperate times call for desperate measures. … When even the summoning of Godzilla, king of the monsters and patron saint of collateral damage, could not possibly make the crisis any worse. Every so often, the situation crosses the Godzilla Threshold."

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    Who benefits from all of this other than billionaires (or those who aspire to be) who will be able to acquire assets at firesale prices and politicians who want to stay out of prison ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,340 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I assume that the Chinese and Russian tankers moving through the Straits are flying those countries Maritime flags as a form of [don't hit us] Identity to the warring parties, Israel and Iran, to avoid incidental damage. Trump and the Russians benefit from trouble-free transit of the oil, as does China. The shipping Co's must as well. There's not been so much mention from Trump of providing insurance for the ships, the crews and their cargo over the past few days.

    Incidental to Trump's decision to cancel U.S sanctions on the Russian oil and tankers, the other countries bound by the sanctions may still have intent of continuing them and seizing the tankers. That might annoy Trump and the Russians but would be legal.

    Edit: If Russia sent it's tankers of Iranian oil down to the Caribbean and Cuba to help the locals, it might make Trump mad.

    Israel, as we've seen, has an independent mind on harming Iran's interests and may well see the oil-filled tankers leaving the Persian gulf through the Strait as legitimate targets, to seize or destroy in order to ensure Iran does not get any income or goods from Russia to support it in the war.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,147 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-offers-stop-intel-iran-condition-us-cuts-off-ukraine/

    Moscow proposed a quid pro quo to the U.S. under which the Kremlin would stop sharing intelligence information with Iran, such as the precise coordinates of U.S. military assets in the Middle East, if Washington ceased supplying Ukraine with intel about Russia.

    Wow.

    Shouldn't there be some sort of threat from Trump telling the Russians to stop doing sharing intel with the Iranians or else ?

    He's plenty good at threatening and sanctioning the USA's best allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Those are certainly words.

    Nothing could possibly go wrong putting barely house-trained ICE agents in airports 🙄

    Not sure why he's referring to Ilhan Omar in the same message presumably has to get his Daily Racism out of the way early on the day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭bog master


    Fighting back from under the bus? Hmmm, just might ICE Barbie be telling the truth?

    The $143 million contract for the ads is now at the center of a bitter civil war over who authorized them—and crucially whether Donald Trump gave them the go-ahead. The Daily Beast has been told by sources close to the administration that, contrary to his own public claims of ignorance, Trump did know about the ads, backing up Noem’s own version of events which she gave under oath.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-dares-white-house-to-audit-ice-barbie-kristi-noems-millions-in-ads/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,547 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    As everyone knows, all illegal immigrants come through airports.

    F**king racist moran

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Trump is aware that there will be a queue halfway across the country of people waiting to piss on his grave once he kicks it, right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    That one time Stephen Miller told the truth | Opinion

    "Presidents usually have little control over the economy. Trump, however, is the exception. His tax, labor and foreign policies – illegal tariffs, illegal deportations and illegal war – are the three-legged stool of extraction. He's looting America but we’re all paying for his crime.

    During a recent Oval Office meeting, Miller accused immigrants of theft. Once Donald Trump’s deportation measures were fully in place, “all of this theft” would stop and “it would be enough to balance the budget.” He said: “The extraction of wealth from American taxpayers to people who don't belong here is the primary cause of the national debt."

    Miller is one obnoxious cant, when the cover of Trump goes people will revel going after him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Trump you’re a cn’t- rot in hell you sick rapist bastard


    RIP Robert Mueller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Everytime you think there are no more depths to plumb, there they are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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