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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    The most advanced air support isn't going to reopen the strait.

    Iran still exports crude from its eastern ports beyond the strait.

    We've gone from Trump calling Iran evil after murdering their head of state to lifting sanctions on Iranian oil in transit.

    Bull slowly trying to reverse itself out of china shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Just to be clear, are you claiming that Saudi Arabia is neutral in this conflict?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Before the war started they went out of their way to not be involved nor do they host terrorist groups that repeatedly attacked Iran

    You have people defending attacks against innocents from one side of their mouth while complaining about another group doing same from other side of their mouth instead of doing the right thing of condemning both instead of cheering for their favourite deplorable team in this war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Agreed, I'd expect to see both the mobile OTH and another AEGIS destroyer or 2 deployed to Diego Garcia.

    The band of US equipment and capabilities is being stretched tighter & tighter and the production capacity across everything, Ships, Missiles, Radars and even aircraft just isn't there.
    Approx the last 100 F35s built have been delivered without radar as they await APG85 sets and the new TR4 software.
    What's absolutely mental regarding F35, is that the new APG85 radar, requires a different structural interface with the airframe and as such, the APG81 cannot be fitted as an interim radar until the new radars are available.

    Mental engineering choice that is solely designed to milk customers who choose to refit to APG85 when that becomes available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Its widely reported that MBS was instrumental in pushing Trump towards this war.
    Saudi Arabia is also an integral part of the US logistics chain in the Gulf and further to that, Saudi has allowed Israel to overfly it on attack missions into Iran.
    None of which are the actions of a neutral.
    Standing idle, and not firing at your neighbour while actively supporting and enabling those who do?
    Are not the actions of a neutral nation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    https://www.thejournal.ie/middle-east-war-6991146-Mar2026/

    Israel bombing nuclear facilities now , they won’t be happy until they set off a nuclear reaction and kill hundreds of thousands of people . Israel will blow up the planet and kill us all for a finish up .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    I seen that but it all sounds like hearsay on conspiracy theories there is no evidence of concrete help like letting planes land and refuel for example at the start of the war

    Now that they being repeatedly attacked they still haven’t retaliated either despite having a very capable modern military

    I get it that Iran are trying to drag everyone into their war but it’s a stupid strategy that will isolate em further

    And make no mistake I have no love for Saudis and their theocratic monarchy that beheads journalists but they have shown incredible restraint despite repeated attacks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭Firstsub


    Are the US still bombing Iran or is it just Israel at this stage? Can Trump state that the US has won and take his players off the pitch? Israel would surely object to that?. Does the Straits of Hormuz remain closed indefinitely?

    What a mess!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    I imagine it's the type of munitions on board that they don't want them going through. They usually return via France. The B-52 mission yesterday went out to Iran over France and there is a load of F-35's currently en-route the Middle East, via France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    US bombers are loading up and departing the UK every day for bombing runs on Iran



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The Saudis do have a very modern military, they've spent a fortune on top end gear.
    Most of it reliant on western technicians and service contracts and all of it handled and operated exceptionally poorly when in action.


    Indeed even among the Arabs, that wrought such Military incompetence as Iraq, Syria & Egypt, Saudi Arabia are the example of what not to do.
    There operational performance in Yemen, despite extensive Western training and advisors is used as a model of operational incompetence in military academies.

    As for the intervention of MBS and the access afforded Israeli strike packages being a conspiracy theory?
    Well, that's entirely your prerogative.

    The Iranians aren't IMO aiming to drag everyone in.
    They've been crystal clear in the wake of the June 12 day war that any nation affording bases, operational or technical support to US would be struck if the US struck them.
    Similarly with their threats regarding oil and gas infrastructure.
    If there's is struck, they will strike the GCC states infrastructure in retaliation.

    It's not a strategy I agree with, not one I'd pursue were it down to me but, I can see why the Mullahs have decided it's their path to survival.
    If the world runs on petrochemicals, and you can choke the supply to the extent that you can cripple advanced economies?
    It makes refineries, extraction, distillation and shipping of same an extremely attractive target if the survival of your theocracy is threatened.
    I paraphrased Dune much earlier regarding that particular aspect.
    "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing"

    The Iranians will respond in kind to any attacks on their infrastructure to any GCC target they can hit.
    Where the fun will really start on that front IMHO?
    Is if the US try to force the strait, race 500km to Kharg whilst under Iranian fire control to land at Kharg?

    I genuinely believe the Iranians will destroy Kharg along with every refinery, terminal and loading berth they can hit in the GCC, including having the Houthis strike the ones in the Red Sea.

    Who wins then?
    Those trans Saudi pipeline's to Israel for onward Mediterranean shipping suddenly become a lot cheaper relative to rebuilding Gulf infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    On a brighter note, moves to disarm Hamas and begin reconstruction in Gaza are gaining momentum.

    Trump's Gaza plan, to which Israel and Hamas agreed in October, sees Israeli troops withdrawing from Gaza and reconstruction starting as Hamas lays down its weapons.

    "It is now on the table. It requires one clear choice: full decommissioning by Hamas and every armed group, with no exceptions and no carve-outs. In this season of hope, may those responsible make the right choice for the Palestinian people,"

    Unbelievably, if this were to happen, and the Israeli advance into Lebanon finishes off Hezbollah for and for all, all the Iranian proxies in the region would be eliminated.

    If the mad mullahs despotic theocratic regime were also to fall, the entire middle east could be at peace within the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Attacking gulf states is the height of strategic stupidity, so far only the warmongers on the far left been clapping and cheering for that strategy, when everyone should be pushing and praying for a ceasefire and not burning of any off-ramps

    If Iran continue to attack energy and desalination facilities in the gulf leaving those states in a position where the only conclusion left is that they have to eradicate the Iranian regime it ends in a prolonged war where they don’t win even with Russian or Chinese (who get most of their energy from the gulf btw) help

    Don’t forget Saudis have a defence pact with with Pakistan that also has a massive military and 3x the population of Iran and would happily take funds to fight the Iranians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Yeah given I opened the original thread on the Saudi/Pak defence treaty here?
    I don't need reminding of it, but thanks I'll keep it mind.

    You are approaching the current situation as if the participants are all rational actors.
    Who won't act in a manner deliberately harmful to their position and in particular their place in the geopolitical arena.

    Israel started this war with a claim of existential threat.
    Their 1st action was a decapitation strikes, and since then they keep aiming at the next level of leadership that emerges.
    That destroys the quality of the people left making decisions.
    Decisions such as targeting and escalation eventually rest in the hands of extremists who will view this as the opportunity to strike hard at Sunnism and Wahhabism before their Shia theocracy is snuffed out.

    The more that the US & in particular Israel persist with their current targeting strategy?
    The more likely it is that decisions are made to torch the Gulf.

    As for strikes on desalination plants, I agree 100% a warcrime, should not happen and must not happen again.
    But again, who 1st hit a desalination plant?
    It was the US, with a PrSM launched from Bahrain.
    Similarly to my thread on the Saudi/Pak alliance though...
    If you search back on this thread, I'd be surprised if you found anyone who mentioned water and in particular the threats to Iranian and Tehran's water supply that could result from strikes earlier than I did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Some of the actors like gulf states being attacked are acting rational and surprisingly restrained so far, some like Trump wouldn’t know how to spell the word, others like Israel are acting like mafia gang while Iran are acting like a terrorist regime

    In their own eyes these strategies might seem rational but if this war continues and both sides keep escalating and more and more join in this doesn’t end anywhere good for Iran and Iranians who are victims of this regime too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel did the same in Gaza. They targeted the water desalination plants and other water infrastructure. Gaza's water production dropped by approx 95% by 25th October 2023. Gaza was unliveable very early in the war and totally dependent on aid. Then they cut off aid.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    A prize for the most simplistic post ever on Boards. Well done Sir.

    So Terror eliminates terrorism. Who knew.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Your disappointment that there could be peace in the middle east is noted.

    God forbid that Hamas, Hezbollah, and the IRGC might be erased from history in exchange for peaceful and prosperous living for the ordinary people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Your endless trolling is absolutely nauseating for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Yes, I agree with you that the GCC are acting with restraint at present.
    They aren't being led into a war despite the strikes, and perhaps the only thing that will tip the balance towards war for them would be an all out strike on their production infrastructure.
    If there are multiple participants in a conflict, and 2 see confrontation as existential.
    Israel sees the destruction of Iran's Theocracy as its only path to long term security.
    Iran sees the attacks by Israel & the US as an existential survive or die inflection point for their regime.
    How do the rational actors left deescalate the current situation to the point where both the irrational actors can step back with a perception of at least medium term security?

    Iran currently seems to believe its only path to survival is to either hold the entirety of middle east petrochemical production at risk, including those of its neighbours.
    That doesnt just put the Gulf at risk, it puts the entirety of advanced economies relient on fossil fuels at risk.
    Aside from the US, Canada & Russia very few nations have enough domestic production to weather that impact and Europe certainly doesn't.
    The other option that Iran will no doubt IMHO race toward now?
    Is a nuclear weapon.
    It will see the last 2 attacks on Iran as proof positive that survival of the regime can be guaranteed by nuclear weapons.
    With North Korea and Pakistan as the prime examples of what it would see as "security" for its regime.
    Replace the Mullahs in Iran, with the Army in Pakistan or the Kim family in North Korea.

    Israel believes that it bomb enough of Iran's militiary industrial complex to set it back maybe 10yrs.
    Without regime change in Iran however?
    How can Israel end their war or claim anything approaching a victory?
    If the Iranian regime survives, they can and will rebuild.
    The lurch towards multipolarity becomes even more severe.
    An Iranian regime that survives this war?
    Emboldens the CRINKs and makes clear that US power is, despite the rhetoric, waning.

    I find myself circling back to a drum I've banged before on this thread.
    That Non-proliferation is dead, that Trump killed it.
    I said on twitter in November 2024 and a few times since on boards.
    The global security order the World has relied on since 1945 is dead.
    The abandonment of international norms by the West to defend Israel's actions in Gaza was the lid on the Coffin and Trump's actions since taking power have each been nails.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    My ignore list has gotten fierce busy lately.

    Anyhow interesting piece in today's FT about what's called "the long tail" of consequences for insurance cover.

    It does seem that underwriters will require a brokered peace deal to even offer cover for tonnage stuck in the Gulf.

    A lot of Russians who fled to the Gulf states to avoid a Putin call-up are desperately shopping around for alternatives as a lot of businesses are cancelling sponsorship for staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    As it was shot down we don't know the payload if any, but it didn’t need a payload as it was rather symbolic, “hey we can attack you”, lots of reporting of that attack even if it was never going to be effective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    "Hey, we can attack you" has been Iran's primary strategy since they were attacked by Israel and the US, neither of whom expected the level of retaliation that they've seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @vswr I have no idea why they are allowing these to be tracked on FR24, but here you go.

    IMG_0067.png

    The RSAF also has them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    You were caught out posting Pro-Hamas propaganda on another thread by more than one poster.

    It's not my problem that that is uncomfortable for you, or that you refuse to acknowledge it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Explosions at US military base in Bahrain, state media says - as residents told to shelter

    Several explosions have been reported at the US-owned Juffair military base in Bahrain, according to the Iranian state Tasnim news agency.

    A separate report by the outlet on Telegram said several powerful explosions were heard across the island country this afternoon.

    In other news a defence analyst said it’s worrying for the UK that Diego Garcia was targeted after the UK joined the war as the UK has zero ability to intercept ballistic missiles. Even though Diego Garcia is closer than the UK from Iran the doubt remains on how far their missiles can go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65



    Retaliation against third parties in an ever growing the list of non aligned countries and people whom are getting first hand an illustration as to why the Iranian terrorist regime has to go

    Turns out stupidity is not just limited to the Trump regime

    All while the far left is cheering on and celebrating this war war spreading, we even have some whom are frothing at the prospect of refugees waves being created to flood Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Gulf states are responding according to self preservation. Further tourism loss if they go into offensive mode.

    And for what gain? What do you think gulf states could inflict on Iran that their puppet masters in the US/Israel havent already?

    Gulf states are doing all they can to preserve their empires of sand. Banning residents from reporting. Allowing the US to launch attacks from within their borders and praying for peace/end to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Was it all planned?

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2026/03/seeing-trump-clearly/

    Netanyahu yesterday revealed an interesting part of the endgame – construction of an oil pipeline that brings Iran’s oil out to be shipped from a Mediterranean terminal in Israel. That is a breathtakingly audacious plan, but absolutely aligns with Netanyahu’s and Trump’s actions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    I don’t think you realise just how bad this can get for Iran and Iranians, so far there haven’t been much in way of attacks against infrastructure like desalination plants, refineries, dams, power plants and ports {all that infrastructure modern countries need and countries like Israel and Russia love attacking}, if anything Trump seems to cling to the hope that he can find someone left alive in the regime to step and can “deal with” Venezuela style despite having complete air superiority and not yet imposing a sea blockade

    If the Gulf countries are left with literally nothing and no future then there will be nothing left holding them back from levelling Iran and using their bottomless treasuries to fund attacks from all directions including bringing in Pakistan who do have the population to occupy Iran

    As I said before these states have been incredibly retrained despite repeated attacks, the longer this war and attacks on them go on the higher chance they join in, already polymarket is pricing in a 53% by end next month of one of the gulf countries joining in



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