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Dash cam videos thread 3.4 (embedded car dash-cams only)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    But he didn't stay in the r/h lane until he had passed the exit immediately before his intended exit. He moved to the l/h lane before he had passed the first exit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭J_R


    ???. For a start his lane changing technique leaves a lot to be desired. I had to brake,hence the horn blow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I was referring to Uncle Pierre's photo, not your vid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭J_R




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Not your fault, I wasn't clear what I was referring to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    So the horn blow is some sort of annoyance?

    Quite right, I mean…how dare he.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Fully deserved, they might pay a bit more attention going forward, though I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Exactly, how dare he.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Are you referring to the video posted by @j_r?

    Driver in question enters the roundabout from the right lane:

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    But is then in the left lane on the roundabout itself before the exit for turning left:

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    FWIW, still reckon myself that the procedure there, since there are only two exits, should be to enter in left lane if turning left, and enter (and stay!) in right lane if going straight through. Otherwise, what's the right lane actually for, unless you're going all the way around and back in the direction from whence you came?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I don't disagree with the layout, but the immediate veering from clearly marked lanes is maddening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Uncle Pierre posted a photo, not a video. I was referring to that layout and how that roundabout was expected to be used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Sorry. At the time I was posting with those two screenshots above, I obviously overlooked how discussion had already moved onto a further page, and how you'd already clarified things.

    Anyway, in relation to the photo I originally put up (where R772 meets M11) - yes, I'd venture too that it's the 'correct' way to use a roundabout like that, where there are only two exits. Left lane on approach for the first exit, and right lane on approach for the second exit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭granturismo


    You are incorrect - rules of the road state left lane is for exits 1 and 2 on a typical roundabout. Right lane entering a roundabout is for any exit after exit 2 on a typical 4 exit roundabout. Exceptions include when the lanes entering the roundabout are marked with arrows indicating what exits each lane is for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    Under current Rules of the Road it depends on the position of the exit on the clock face. What you describe has long been changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Let's have a look at what you posted and apply it to the roundabouts in question here.

    rules of the road state left lane is for exits 1 and 2 on a typical roundabout.

    These are not typical roundabouts. There are only two exits (or three, if you include the option of going back the way from which you came).

    Right lane entering a roundabout is for any exit after exit 2 on a typical 4 exit roundabout. 

    Again, these are not typical four-exit roundabouts (and since you say four is typical, you do seem to be including the option of going back the way from which you came).

    I'm suggesting that on an untypical roundabout like these ones, the sensible thing would be left lane approach for first exit, and right lane approach for second exit. Otherwise, I repeat the question - what's the right lane on approach actually for? By your logic, it would only be for what must be an absolutely tiny minority of drivers who do indeed want to do a full loop of the roundabout, and go back the way they'd come from in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Orban6


    Taking the 2nd exit from the right hand lane would mean cutting across a driver legitimately taking that exit from the left lane.

    The rules of the road state that there is no typical roundabout as the number of exits can vary.

    From the current RSA rules

    Golden ruleThis ‘golden rule’ should help motorists to drive safely at any roundaboutregardless of the number of exits:Think of the roundabout as a clock.If taking any exit from the 6 o’clock to the 12 o’clock position, motoristsshould generally approach in the left-hand lane.If taking any exit between the 12 o’clock to the 6 o’clock positions,motorists should generally approach in the right-hand lane.If there are road markings showing you what lane you should be in,follow those directions. Traffic conditions might sometimes mean youhave to take a different approach but, in the main, the ‘golden rule’ willhelp you to drive safely on almost any roundabout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Yes, but note the use of 'generally' in two places in the advice given re. what approach lane to take. Also mentions of 'should', 'in the main', and 'almost any'. It's not a hard and fast overall rule that applies in absolutely every single situation. And overall, the key point there is this:

    If there are road markings showing you what lane you should be in,follow those directions.

    So my point, and backed up by that statement from the RSA, is this:

    if there are road markings (and ideally, signposts too) saying to use the left lane approach for left turn only, and to use the right lane on approach for going straight through, then that's what motorists should do. And in such cases, a driver taking the second exit from the left lane wouldn't be legitimately taking that exit from that lane, as they'd have disobeyed the road markings.

    Anyway, back to my main question:

    if the left lane approach is for turning left and also for going straight through, then what's the right lane approach for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Two and a half days on, so putting the question again to @Orban6, while also inviting an answer from any of the three people who thanked him for saying I was wrong ( @granturismo @J_R @Zatoichi ) -

    if the left lane approach is for turning left and also for going straight through, then what's the right lane approach for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Orban6




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    There's no special ignore the clock rule because the roundabout has an atypical number of exits exception.

    Now, imagining your 3 exit roundabout (left, straight, and u-turn). In the absence of road markings, the left lane is for taking exit 1 and 2. You can use the the right lane to take exit 2 if traffic is backed up leading to exit 1.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Well, at least I finally got an answer, even if it is what I consider to be a somewhat facetious one, and just parrotting a suggestion I previously made myself.

    Wonder what proportion of drivers really would want to go all the round compared to the proportion who'd want one of the other two exits??!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    True that there's no special 'ignore the clock rule' in such cases. But also true that there's no 'must always obey the clock rule'. As already pointed out, even that advice from the RSA is full of terms like 'generally', 'should' (not 'must'), 'in the main', and 'almost any'.

    And what you say is also true if there are no road markings. My point is simply that in such cases, it would seem to make sense if there were road markings, to mandate left lane approach for turning left, and right lane approach for straight through.

    Would you agree, or do you also think it's somehow necessary to have a whole separate lane for what must be the absolutely tiny minority of drivers who do indeed wish to go back the way they came?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Or what percentage do not just 360, but 450 degrees on a roundabout 😀 ?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The decision on whether override the default behaviour using road markings will be made by a civil engineer who's designing the roundabout. It should be based on expected traffic behaviour and volumes. I.e. the split of people using the 1st and 2nd exits at various times of the day.

    And what you say is also true if there are no road markings. My point is simply that in such cases, it would seem to make sense if there were road markings, to mandate left lane approach for turning left, and right lane approach for straight through.

    You're introducing an exception to the standard approach purely for the reason of, ah sure there's space. I'd posit that the decision to include a 2nd entry lane onto the junction is to handle the times when their is congestion into exit 1. We have a bad enough time with people keeping left on multilane roads. there's no need to take the racing line through a roundabout at times of the day when the left lane is clear.

    Your "makes sense" approach directly encourages that behaviour.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Ah the slingshot, sometimes the best way to take the first exit …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Never apologise for interrupting roundabout bores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    In fairness, you make a good point. But by the same token, if the idea of providing the right-hand lane on approach is simply to have an alternative for traffic going straight through when the left-hand approach for traffic turning left is congested, then there should be some sort of road marking or signs to say "don't use this lane for going straight through unless you're going straight through (or back the way you came) and the left-hand lane is blocked up". And I'm not sure how you'd do with a few simple daubs of paint that could be seen and understood in a split second.

    Anyway, I see we're being accused of being "roundabout bores", so I'll leave it at that 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Thank you.



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