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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    …….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    TSA was created in response to 9/11, it wasn't in place on that day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    We've just heard from US President Donald Trump, who has called Nato allies "cowards" and said it would be "easy" for them to allow ships to safely pass through the Strait of Hormuz.

    Here's his post on Truth Social in full:

    "Without the U.S.A., NATO IS A PAPER TIGER! They didn’t want to join the fight to stop a Nuclear Powered Iran.

    "Now that fight is Militarily WON, with very little danger for them, they complain about the high oil prices they are forced to pay, but don’t want to help open the Strait of Hormuz, a simple military maneuver that is the single reason for the high oil prices.

    "So easy for them to do, with so little risk. COWARDS, and we will REMEMBER!"

    Weird, I thought the war was won, and he never needed them…

    The great deal maker, he couldn't make his bed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    So what happens if Russia attacks NATO country, even a minor one like Estonia. Will Trump agree to defend one of the 'cowards'. Things becoming even more problematic imo.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Come live next to China?

    I truly don't understand this desire to whitewash other countries because of what is going on in the US. China is absolutely as malevolent in the Pacific as the US is in it's domain. And what they are doing domestically is still worse than what the US is doing (even if the latter is on a fast track to being as bad).

    China, who fairly openly maintain concentration camps knowing full well no one can do anything about it, who have oppressed all democratic notions in HK and who frequently threaten to invade their democratic neighbour, is not a "responsible" superpower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Well, he's breaking a treaty that's stood for 70 years and is held in high regard by the Republican party. They know this war is a diversionary tactic by Trump and I imagine quite a lot of them are very close to the red line they won't cross. Congress won't tolerate reneging on NATO, especially after 9/11 when Europe answered Americas call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭kowloon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    China is a totalitarian tyranny but the Uighurs are not a foreign policy issue for China. They are within China’s borders. I certainly don’t want Taiwan to fall into China’s hands but their claim on the territory is strong and it has always been viewed as an internal matter by them, being raised as far back as when Kissinger went to China. It’s certainly not the same as attacking a country in the Middle East.

    The Chinese fishing fleet is a global concern. China’s rise is deeply worrying in many ways but I feel I can no longer trust the US to defend the cause of freedom given Trump’s predatory behaviour since he returned to office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭doyle55


    More good news for Donald.

    The states with the largest increases in gas prices are mostly those that lean Republican.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/20/gas-prices-are-up-30-these-key-election-states-are-seeing-the-biggest-jumps-00836762



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Taiwan is not a foreign policy matter cause China thinks it belongs to them?! That is an utterly insane viewpoint.

    I don't trust the US to defend anything either. That is a massive, massive leap from claiming China is the responsible superpower. They are not.

    Again, it is possible to consider two bad things as being bad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just as a reminder Taiwan (roc) has a territorial on mainland china+Mongolia.

    It's not exactly poor little Taiwan versus big bad china.

    It is a unfinished civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That really is good news for Donald. They'll more likely believe this is all Biden's fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭thomil


    The thing about China is that it is not as aggressively expansionist as the US are. There is as much of a sense of exceptionalism in China as there is in the US. However, whilst US exceptionalism is, at its heart, outward looking, believing that they need to go out and remake the world in their image, Chinese exceptionalism is ultimately inward looking. They still believe that China is the pinnacle of the world and has everything that you could want, so they don't really see a need to expand all over the planet. Rather, they believe that the world should come to them.

    Their foreign policy initiatives are generally aimed at ensuring the supply of essential supplies and trade on one side, and keeping any potential threats away from their borders on the other. They are far less likely to get involved in a country's domestic politics than the US, so long as you keep away from their borders and keep the trade flowing. In that respect, I actually consider Beijing to be somewhat more reliable of a partner than Washington, and that's coming from someone who's traditionally been very pro-US. Their involvement with Russia in Ukraine is an example. Keeping Russia focused on its western borders keeps them from gathering forces in the Russian Far East along the Sino-Russian border. It also has the advantage of keeping their other major challenger, the US, off balance.

    There's so much more to this, the mentality at play with the leadership in Beijing is completely different from the western approach. I highly recommend reading "On China" by Henry Kissinger. He was involved in the opening up of China to the west in 1972 and had decades of experience in dealing with every Chinese leader going back to Mao Zedong. The book is genuinely enlightening, despite Kissinger's, shall we say chequered, reputation.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    China has more recently annexed far more territory than the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Unless you provide something to substantiate this territorial claim by force then it's off to the ignore list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Losing Taiwan to the PRC would be a tragedy for Taiwan, Japan, the West and I believe for Chinese people themselves but China does have a claim to the territory on multiple grounds. In my very ignorant opinion, the island should have immediately seceded after the civil war but Chiang Kai-shek wouldn’t accept that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,407 ✭✭✭mountain


    hold on there now,

    You mean that the Chinese,

    Aren’t “ a great bunch of lads” …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    In my opinion, that’s hardly a fair representation of China’s claim which I wouldn’t be highly knowledgeable on. However, I can assure you it’s not merely based on delusional thinking. Both sides in the civil war eventually considered Taiwan to be part of China. Even the Americans tread carefully on this matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    captain bone spurs calling nato cowards.
    Trump won’t even visit the Ukraine.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    All of the world is an annexation if you want to go that far down that rabbit hole.

    China has still annexed territory by force far more recently than the US has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭bog master


    A bit of a long read, but, some very good points raised that I find hard to disagree with.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-foreign-policy-failing-far-graver-than-trumps-war-in-iran/



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Americans tread carefully on it so as not to unduly annoy China, who are a massive bully who will use significant pressure to punish anyone who recognises Taiwan, not because they think the argument has any merit.

    The fact the US, under the current administration, is stooping to their levels is not an appropriate reason to whitewash the acts of others.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I am assuming I am already on your list, but Tibet exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,667 ✭✭✭amacca


    Yep....he's an awful fcuking moron

    They have to hope they really have rendered Iran so ineffective it doesn't come to that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭kyote00


    47 will be the number of felony charges he will have by the end. Already on 34 I think from last time …. and he wasn’t really trying then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,597 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Looking at the U.S. now it`s more a case of eaten bread is soon forgotten for 9/11 as well as Europe learned from Iraq`s supposed WMDs to be much more careful believing what they are told by the U.S. as in "fool me once….."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    100s of non-American NATO troops died while fighting America's war on Iraq and that assh*le now calls NATO cowards. The diplomats of the next Democratic administration will have to work overtime to try to repair the damage he has done to America's relationship with its allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    I’m sure podge can’t imagine a fate worse than being added to your ignore list. The terror it inspires.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I don't think anything has changed?

    It has been clear for most of the last year that if Russia did go mad and attack a European NATO member (or perhaps one of the increasingly risky grey zone operations they do inside the EU goes "wrong" and kills a lot of civilians + requires a response) Trump will leave them twisting in the wind if he can.

    For me there was a question over whether the US system + the rest of government would actually allow him to do that (welch on their "allies") but I think the way they have let all the unprecedented + dangerous shít the Trump admin. has been doing fly is putting that to bed.



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