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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,983 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Daffodil day today. Every family will have been touched by cancer at some stage , please donate if you can www.cancer.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Husband is from down around Kilkenny. Story I heard is he is a carpenter by trade and thought he pulled a quick one buying the bit of ground and paid in cash for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,037 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Happy spring/vernal equinox to everyone on F&F.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Aravo


    "House isn't really that big"

    That reminds me of the Gorse Hill mansion in Killiney that someone called a "bog standard house" on the V Browne show years ago. Oh, how I miss VB. His show was brilliant.

    The meath house has going by media reports, 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms, 2 living rooms, kitchen, dining room, office, playroom, utility room....



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    It’s the likes of him and the minister telling lies to get planning that make it hard on the rest of us if we ever need a bit of leeway.

    Where’s the like of Sweetman and his planning objections when this type of messing is going on?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Believe it or not for most in Ireland the equinox fell on St Patricks day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭endainoz


    An iconic Irish TV moment 🤣, right up there "try it some time" and the lad falling on the ice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    17740069182757958303630740836366.jpg

    The garage and carport by themselves could be a large dwelling!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    now i dont have much sympathy for the couple as they havent covered themselves in glory.. but i think a couple years in jail would be better.. this house is way off the beaten track… down a side road in bohermeen which is a very rural area.. i remember trying to find the GAA pitch in bohermeen many moons ago and got lost numerous times..! if this was built on the Trim Navan road then yes tear it down but i think where it is leave it standing…

    have to say we live in a very very strange country.. you really have to be very unlucky for something like this to happen you.. we all watched how Larry Goodman who got into debt to the tune of 460million quid got bailed out by the govt of the day… 460m was some amount of money in 1989.. fast forward to 2008/2009 and Sean Quinn was thrown under a bus.. i hope SEan wasnt watching the programmes bout Larry and see how he was saved from going under..

    there is a farmer near me who is farming on the wild atlantic way here in north kerry that has buit several sheds over the last 20yrs and he has zero planning permission for any of them… and im sure there are plenty more like him across the country.. there are people using houses for air b'n'b without planning permission to do so.. the list goes on and on…

    why have this couple who have a house built in the backarse of no place become the fall guys??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,983 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    But They had no permission to build there, doesn'tmatter where it is, if it was let stand everyone would be building what they like where they like....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    can you tell me cos i cant find it anywhere that he did.. did jim mansfield actually ever flatten his conference centre?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-10058808.html

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/partly-built-citywest-centre-to-be-demolished-1.1009584



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    @awaywithyou there has to be some form of law and order. I am involved in planning applications on a regular enough basis & I know how silly the process can be, pre planning meeting telling you all is lovely, then when you apply, you need to better prove your local needs, the house now doesn't meet the rural housing design guidelines, they require a flood risk assessment even though its on the side of a hill, they are also afraid it could impact some senic views so can you submit a number of photo montages to show how it will sit into the landscape & finially they might also look for an impact assessment on the local river that is miles away from the site, it seems Council can put you to endless expenses just on the whim of a planner.

    But everyone who builds a new house has to go through this process. So there cant be any ruling that says this poor family decided to build a house 3 times the size of a normal house so we will tell them they were bold and let them away with it. It would create mayhem.

    They also disobeyed a court order, similar to the Burkes, weather you agree or not, court orders are to be respected, like whats is the difference between these court orders and one that maybe in place to bar an abusive partner from a house.

    The second thing regarding this house is it probably cost the best part of €1M to build.. what bank or institution funded that without planning permission been in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    big difference between getting planning permission but not waiting the full 4 weeks afterwards and being denied planning and building a house twice as big anyways on land with a sterilisation order on it


    one is wrong but the other is much worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    According to the article he was granted planning though, just started building too soon…


    The owners of the house in Bohermeen were refused permission several times and were aware they were going to be before they purchased the land but built anyway, it's not exactly the same is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    yes not the same and like i said the couple have not covered themselves in glory… the wife has said too much and would be better to keep her big mouth shut…

    but there are plenty of buildings across the country built without any planning and there are buildings not being used what they are supposed to be used for according planning permission when are they going to be knocked down… why is this house the only one being knocked…

    again can anyone tell me was the conference centre in citywest demolished…???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Unlikely if the only grievance is starting 4 weeks early, I'm sure there are much better examples around the country you could pick from.

    The couple in question knew the land in question would never get planning permission, yet still applied and failed several times and then went ahead anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    it’s a mansion and would cost well over 1million to build these days.

    Feel no sympathy for them. They did it all by design through pure hubris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,037 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Just out of interest does anyone know why was there a sterilisation order on the land before they bought it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Probably just a planning condition of previous development on land by the previous owner?

    Like permission given on one dwelling on condition no development of additional dwellings for a set period after.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭bogman_bass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    Well-connected millionaire Mel Sutcliffe and his Quanta Capital outfit built 65 houses in Kippure Estate over the past few years with no planning.

    0% chance they'll be knocked or that there will be any meaningful financial loss to Quanta Capital.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/west-wicklow-news/wicklow-holiday-village-investigated-for-planning-breaches-still-getting-funding-for-asylum-seekers/a587379554.html

    Meanwhile Mel still draws tens of millions on government contacts a year to house "refugees".

    You can't be outraged by the spacers in Meath who built a house without planning and ok with a massive capital firm building 65 houses without planning while simultaneously getting millions off the taxpayer to house non-nationals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    I don’t think anybody is saying one is wrong and the other isn’t



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,037 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I see Chuck Norris has died - what a legend, RIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    I wonder what he thought of all the jokes about him 15 years ago?

    My favourite one was “When chuck Norris does a push-up he doesn’t push himself up he pushes the earth down”

    Like you said Base, what a legend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    Yeah but I'm saying I don't see national outrage with the 65 houses in Kippure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    While Section 47 (7 year occupancy) may be OK for building a rural house, forcing section 47 on the remaining farm land is just plain wrong and unjust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭DBK1


    There’s no national outrage about the house in Meath either, the only outrage seems to be from the handful of people that don’t understand the planning laws and think it shouldn’t be knocked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 TeagascSaysNo


    Rte/ the journal/news talk/the Irish times/the Irish independent etc don't want to be seen to criticise the ongoing migration scam being perpetrated against the Irish taxpayer as it would validate the arguments of the "far right". Hence, they don't care about the complete bypassing of the planning system for refugee/scammer housing.

    In the same way the media care about value for money over small things like the bike shed but not the billions per anum we piss away to the already rich and well connected running the ipas racket.

    The couple in Meath obviously were very brazen and shouldn't have did what they did but they owned the land, presumably bought it themselves, paid for the building of the house etc with their own money from I presume heavily taxed honest work. If the state was to apply the planning requirements stringently and fairly across the board it might be reasonable to demolish the house. The couple missed a trick, if they put a few "refugees" in it, the Irish media would be fighting with every ounce of their strength to stop the demolition.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭148multi




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