Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

I’m not perturbed either way

Fair enough. We will leave it there so.

You can’t disregard every naysayer as a conspiracy theorist

Again, you are trying to put words in peoples mouths.

The conspiracy theorists are the ones spreading conspiracy theories because they saw a non white person on a Facebook poster.

It's beyond silly.

Less than 1% of Nigerian nationals are not black Nigerians, so let’s be honest the policy of race and nationality are inextricably intertwined when that’s the case

It's not my opinion, the ban is based on nationality.

Only Nigerians.

That means no other African Countries, European Countries, North American Countries, etc.

so what do think of this policy?

That depends, has the reason they brought in the policy achieved what they sought out to achieve. I understand it was brought in 4 odd years ago. Have you a link or an update to it?

Would a policy like this work here.

I very much doubt it, given a high percentage of our television adds in paricular would feature British and European actors.

The US government has begun visa bonds of $5000 to $ 15000 on the countries listed in the link for visa entry . This will deter visa overstayers. Why has the EU with it's waffle about migration not applied the same . Reform or Restore Britain could implement it to stop the overstayers claiming asylum here .

Most, really?

Have you citation for this claim?

Irish people are not having kids and this is due to government policy dictated to by EU and UN policy

Or… contraception.

Stuck living with your parents in your 30's is contraception.

I have to admit - that’s a cracker of a point 😂

(I don’t think it’d be fair to point out that doesn’t appear to be an impediment to several families across Ireland, three generations living in a space no bigger than a mobile home)

I don’t think it’s a significant deterrent to a declining population though. Contraception has enabled significant social change in several societies since the 80s, not just Ireland, and no greater example of it than in China -

When Jane Huang picked up the phone to answer a call earlier this month, her first response to the person on the end was to laugh.

“[Hello!] Is that Ms Huang? Sorry to disturb you. I am from your sub district office, are you pregnant now?”

Huang, a 35-year-old working mother of one son who lives in the southeast coastal province of Fujian, said the overly enthusiastic social worker even asked about the timing of her most recent period and offered to give her a reminder call when it was “the right time” to conceive another baby.

“I laughed so hard when I told my husband about it. The surveyor must be from the previous generation, who did not realise that she was talking to a whole different generation that values privacy, quality of life and choices much more,” she said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3284192/chinese-government-workers-call-women-urge-pregnancy-latest-birth-rate-push

It’s not a question of belief Stephen, it’s a question of how a phenomenon which has always existed in Ireland is now being framed as yet another ‘crisis’ in order to induce anxiety in good people like yourself.

What do you imagine would happen if Government were actually to attempt to incentivise Irish women to bear more children like their grandmothers before them who would push out half a hurling team before their 30s and only the eldest son would inherit the family farm? The rest of them were either married off (the rest of the sons might marry into another farm), forced into the poorhouse (you know, those homes), or emigrated.

I don’t expect that reality will have any impact whatsoever on your perspective either, simply because while you know fcukall about me either, you imagine I should place greater value in your anecdotal evidence of people close to you who can’t afford property or have chosen not to have children (which they can only do nowadays thanks to, you guessed it - contraception).

They have no interest in allowing Europeans to thrive and have more kids, so instead they are pumping in millions of migrants every year through ever-increasing legal and illegal pathways to put further pressure on native Europeans and prevent them buying a house and starting a family

Who are "They"?

I want names, be specific.

Overseas migration dramatically increases rent and property prices too which further reduces the chances of Irish people forming families and having Children.

Most immigrants also have a far higher birth rate than native Irish which further compounds the problem. We are heading down the same terrible path as the UK,Sweden and France and seem unable to learn the obvious lessons from what has happened to those countries.

The single biggest driver of reduced birth rates is the evolution of women's rights and women's reproductive rights.

The days of women being treated like cattle are over.

The lunacy of some shady cabal forcing native populations not to have children is driven quite ironically by the "incel community".

Who hate the fact women have rights at all.

It's beyond bonkers.

Simple as that - doesn’t have to be some fringe incel cabal conspiracy or whatever that nobody is listening to anyway.

It is being repeated on this thread, multiple times.

If you have issue with it, then debunk it.

It's not hard.

Issue with what?

I’m saying a reason for our falling birth rates is the housing crisis, which is driven by excessive demand for our limited housing supply, demand driven by excessive net migration over a number of years despite this constrained supply. This has resulted in thousands upon thousands of our young population (who in the past would be launching their lives and starting families) stuck in their childhood bedroom - this is a well documented phenomenon.

But you don’t want to discuss that, because it’s something reasonable, with merit and facts behind it. You’re more interested in talking about the fringe aspect of people putting it down to a conspiracy because you think it discredits the legitimacy of the former argument by lumping it all together.

I don’t think there’s some shadowy cabal orchestrating all of this. But it is a fact that our indigenous population is not growing at the rate it would be if the housing crisis was alleviated. A prime factor of it not being alleviated is migration driven demand continuing to outpace supply.

Do they have housing that is affordable with one decent income?

"I very much doubt it, given a high percentage of our television adds in particular would feature British and European actors."

Irish companies have overrepresentation of black people in their ads. It's pervasive, maybe they've hired British and European advertising companies. 😐 I've said it before here…

...that black people make up 1.5% of our population, but they get shoehorned into the majority of ads. Why? Asian people make up 4% of our population, but you don't see them getting jammed into all our ads.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=k3qEyN01fGE

Butter wouldn't melt in these companies mouths.

The parties in government literally as recently as last week have highlighted migration as a key driver of the pressure currently being experienced in the public services you mention above. Once again this is not some fringe opinion try though you might to muddy the waters, this is political fact.

I am not wasting my time debating the existence of the housing crisis with you again. It is consistently ranked as the #1 issue for voters in the country and the elected government also spend a hell of a lot of time discussing something you claim not to exist.
Your choice to live outside the bounds of reality is no concern of mine.