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The decline of Dublin GAA at intercounty level

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Any Dublin player approached was prior to them winning a AI senior medal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,672 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Really. You are sure that every Dublin player approached was before winning an AI and none were approached or thought about putting out feelers after.

    Wow that is a profound level of insight into the personal lives of every Dublin player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Every county goes through cycles.

    At least the Leinster championship will be interesting for a few years. 3 or 4 teams capable of winning.

    I don't think Dublin will an AI for at least 5 years but it's inevitable they'll have a great team again.

    They'll reach quarter finals and semis, but there's a lot of quality teams at the business end of the championship so it's hard to win an AI.

    Kerry and Donegal are favorites right now.

    Tyrone are a coming force with their underage success.

    Armagh and Derry also strong.

    Galway are string but their better players are getting older.

    It'll be interesting to see Mayo.

    Cork and Meath are coming forces also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Yes James McCarthy approached in 09. Kilkenny and McCaffrey 2012. Scully, Costello and 2013.

    Kilkenny was only one who signed up and came home after couple months at end of 2012. A combination of home sickness and his club Castleknock were AI junior semi final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,672 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Are all approaches made public ?

    Does every player who thinks about going over have to declare it publicly ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭thesultan


    they might not , Louth and Meath will challenge but Dublin will probably still win with Avon on board



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 goffer91


    Home advantage does matter. It does in all sports. Just because Dublin don't always take maximum benefit from it doesn't mean that it isn't a huge advantage to have. Other teams would love to have played all their All-Ireland finals, semi-finals etc in their home stadium. But it was only Dublin that had this advantage. Which was combined with other significant unique unfair advantages like population, funding which were unprecedented in their combination, nature, scale and duration.

    So yes, Dublin have slipped a bit in recent years, particularly in the All-Ireland series. While they lost the provincial last year, that was off the back of the Leinster Championship being an uncompetitive shambles for almost 20 years. One swallow doesn't make summer. The current Dublin management should absolutely be criticised for not taking full advantage of the county's unique advantages, as Jim Gavin showed can be done so easily. But it doesn't mean the fundamental problems affecting the prestige, integrity and fairness of inter-county football have been fixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,736 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    So basically your narrative is Dublin play well = unique advantages . Dublin don’t play well = don’t take advantages. That is a logical fallacy if ever I saw one.

    Basically you can’t lose golfer91 no matter how you spin that narrative you land on the fairway.


    With no mention of Dublin’s unique disadvantages high cost of building, limited land availability, competition for other sports etc. The different demographics in Dublin who have no interest in the GAA not as big an issue outside Dublin etc. That is even before we bring in the cyclical nature of sport.

    But you don’t mention that doesn’t fit your limited narrative. No nuance. That is like a golfer who has no touch of feel for a shot.

    You don’t mention the Dublin hurlers n not a threat for Leinster now for a long time - the Liam is pipe dream . You don’t mention that because it doesn’t fit the framing of your very narrow narrative.

    For instance Croke Park wide pitch suits better sides in football . Kerry Donegal currently. And Dublins best performance thus far (under the Brennan reign) against the odds was v Roscommon in The Hyde. That no one saw coming. It certainly wasn’t in Croke Park!
    How do you spin that one?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,879 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Meath have less All Irelands than Galway so I can't imagine they consider Croke Park as familiar territory. They were so far off the mark in last year's semi final I dont think they will be any nearer this year. They need to win leinster first before any dreams of an AI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Welcome back gaffer , back with your usual nonsense !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Playing in a Hurling province does matter , Kerry with a ridiculous 84 Munster titles have an unfair advantage for over 100 years, time to split in 2 , or move them out of Munster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    The current team have to consider Croke Park as familiar territory. Their home league games are being played in Croke Park this season. They are in Croke Park almost every second weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    amazing to see a thread about the decline in dublin football when only a few years ago the same people were talking about splitting dublin into two teams , what a shower of muppets 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,736 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The lads on League Sunday Enda McGinley and Paul Flynn spinning Dublin's collapse/defeat v Armagh as a positive wound me up. The way Flynn was talking he completely ignored the second half. Going on about Dublin finding their "identity" in the first half. Jayus…..

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭PressRun


    To be honest, in hindsight people completely overreacted to their period of dominance. If Kerry had won 6 in a row, I doubt we'd have heard half as much complaining. No coincidence that most of it was coming from quarters that would have had historical rivalries with Dublin and couldn't stand to see them winning. Everyone spoke of this conveyor belt of talent that was going to emerge in Dublin due to their population, but a large population doesn't necessarily translate to passionate interest, especially given how transient a lot of the population of Dublin is, lots of blow-ins who only stay for a while and go again, and plenty of competing interests in the capital. We are seeing that play out now as they don't have the same level of talent coming through. In reality, the true conveyor belt of talent is and always has been happening in Kerry but that's just viewed as the normal order of things.

    There are players on that 6 in a row team who will probably never really get full credit from some quarters for their achievements as individuals because so many people were invested in believing their success was bought and manufactured by the GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    It wasn't really anything to do with the population. The population has always been there, and other sports in the city as rivals to the GAA. I think the begrudgery was more to do with the funding. Back in the day, Bertie wanted to boost Dublin GAA, so he aided them financially. That's all fact and the details are all online. When the success kicked off approx. 15 years ago, and especially when Dublin were winning year after year, then unsurprisingly, there was a fear amongst other counties that the financial aid had led to a team that was almost unbeatable, due to the resources that they had at their behest. People had lost interest in the game, as what was the point in trying to compete? When other counties have this batch-type of excess for a few years on the bounce, people don't take as much notice, because it is assumed that they will fall back to the pack again. But with the money element involved in Dublin GAA, there was a fear that it had created a set-up that would not be matched by other counties and that Dublin would keep on winning. That obviously is not how it turned out, and now we have a Dublin team battled against relegation. To be honest, I don't know how that happened. But at least, it have brought the competitiveness back into Gaelic football. That and the new rules has put the sport in a good place in my opinion.

    A quick google will tell the following:-

    Over the last decade, Dublin GAA received approximately €15.4 million more in games development funding than any other county, with their, at times, controversial high funding levels leading to a total of over €23 million in developmental grants between 2007 and 2023. 

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,736 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    it is too simplistic to look at the success simply in terms of money. There are economies of scale issues in Dublin that other counties simply do not have. Price of land, availability of land etc. Competition from other sports etc . GAA wastelands in Dublin. Too many clubs in some areas too few in others.

    The inter county provincial structure etc - Munster a hurling province with the best Football team in it. The decline and/or mismanagement of teams like Meath, Kildare, Mayo.

    Not to mention if you look at the u12 Dublin North selection from 2005. You will see what an exceptional group of players were coming through.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0525/1040302-fenton-mccaffrey-kilkenny/

    My argument is Dublin should not be going through such a steep decline in football, The dip has been drastic in football. Is it that Dublin’s true level a Sam every decade or so? As simple as that ?

    In hurling Dublin should be getting closer to the more traditional counties. The depth of competitiveness in hurling is much more shallow than in football why haven’t Dublin cracked it? At least started looking like a serious hurling side on the up at this stage?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,458 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    They beat limerick last year, is that not evidence of getting closer to the more traditional counties?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Every county goes through cycles. It's natural.

    Dublin will be back but not for a few years.

    They had an exceptional group of players which are impossible to replace. Also I think they had a brilliant spirit in the group and excellent management team.

    At least Leinster will be competitive for a few years at least.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,557 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    At this stage, Ger Brennan would be delighted with a Leinster success and anything else is bonus territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Yes Leinster will be competitive again , unlike Munster , kerry have dominated this province for over a century with a rediculous 86 Munster titles.😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    The new rules have not brought competitiveness back into gaelic football , all it has done is it suited Kerry into being the dominant force once again ,a quick google will tell you all the top Counties don't lack for funding ,kerry dominating again does not put the sport in a good place in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Dublin are a dangerous threat. I wouldn't be writing them off. Home league ground advantage in an All Ireland quarter final will work in their favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Cork should really be stronger given their population and tradition.

    Although I think they're coming good again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,736 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That was an a complete anomaly in my view. Limerick never got started in the match. It was odd and Chris Crummy got sent off early on as well and Dublin still dominated. Overall the Dublin hurlers are extremely inconsistent. You never know what team will turn up. And really struggle for consistent scoring forwards, generally. Hetherton is having a bit of an "Indian Summer" papering over the cracks a bit.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,736 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It is amazing how a dip in overall and standard and culture can happen no matter how good the previous set up was. It was said to me that many of the senior players who remain for the footballers were the "fringe players" of the previous era. They are not used to having to be the main men. Howard is a prime example.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Howard is a very good footballer but I agree on the likes of Costello, Scully and a few others.

    The drop in standards affects training as well as matches. Their top players are past their best also like Kilkenny and Con.

    Kerry on the other hand have a very strong panel. Their B team would be formidable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭GHendrix


    I used to get a good giggle on here when some people were predicting that Dublin would win 20 in a row and mad stuff like that.

    Even the last few All Ireland’s we won under Dessie, you could kind of see it was coming to an end. Too many great players retiring in a short period.

    They were a great team but dominance never lasts in sport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I think around 2016 or 2017 when Con and Howard and Murchan broke through it looked like Dublin had a conveyor belt of talent and just needed to add a couple of new players every year to stay on top.

    I remember a pundit on OTB or SC said Dublin would likely win 6 or 7 AI every decade and the other counties would win the odd one.

    I completely believed this and I'm a Kerryman.

    Now it looks like Kerry will dominate for at least 5 years and Dublin won't win one in at least 5 years. Could be 10 years even.

    Lots of strong counties now like Donegal, Derry, Meath, Galway, Cork, Derry. Kerry have plenty of young talent. Tyrone are a coming force.

    It's a funny old game.



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