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Couple Ordered to Demolish House - any update?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,202 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Its a very harsh case and I agree there has to be full accountability, otherwise everything and anything would be built. The last 20 years of mounting legal challenges is also arrogant and entitled.

    On the other side, I also see people gloating that "a plumber" got well above his station while the real corrupt buck the system altogether. I find real working class people are harder on each other than they would be if it were a different class, for example ex council houses bought for cash and kitted out with tacky but expensive suff from people with no obvious income. And Bertie just missed out on a Presidential nomination despite being a Minister for Finance without a Bank Account.

    There is only one option which is to demolish it, but I have to say it was a hard watch as the diggers rolled in.

    The family do not come across well, which is not garnering support.

    Have they ever actually said why they went ahead and built a house of that size with no permission?

    Post edited by anewme on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 388 ✭✭FREDNISMO


    You won't cos I own the land but if you want to buy a site, we can discuss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Most people! What tripe and nonsense!

    Name a single case where retention was granted for a house where no permission had ever been granted and the building was in defiance of the Development Plan and zoning rules (as the Murrays well knew)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    And Bertie just missed out on a Presidential nomination

    No, he didn't. He never had a hope in hell of being nominated, and he well knew it

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭crinkley


    would love revenue investigate if the racists were the law abiding tax paying citizens they claim to be. So they paid for their entire house without a mortgage and never paid cash to any trade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 984 ✭✭✭steinbock123


    I know a house , and fairly large it is too, a mile from where I live. Built in the centre of a large farm of land, well well away from the road. It’s only visible from a distance from a certain spot on a slight hill a good bit away. I was walking the dog one day and spotted it being built. Me being the curious type, I figured out exactly where it was and drove over later to have a look, but I only got as far as a large set of gates at the end of a byroad. I looked up the Co.Co.planning website, and there was never planning either applied for or granted for this house. It’s clearly visible on google earth. There is another house on the land, the original farmhouse. I presume the newer house utilises/shares water/electric/waste water supply with the original farmhouse, it’s all in the one family. As long as they never sell, they’re never going to get caught.

    There’s also a pool hall being run near my mother’s house in sheds that were granted PP for use as “furniture storage”. There’s a very specific clause in the PP that was granted , that very particularly prohibits the running of ANY business in these sheds. Yet a pool hall has been there for ages and not a peep out of the council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,478 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    without an unauthorised development complaint, the council is quite likely not even aware of either of those.

    if they're there >7 years now, no point complaining either.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm wondering how to respond to people who have commented that it's a nice looking house, and can come up with nothing better than 'are you blind?'

    if that's a nice looking house, i hate to think what these people think is ugly.

    it looks like four different houses got mashed together in a tornado.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Because without a regulator anarchy would prevail and services ect would be impossible to provide. The chief issue in this instance is the 20 years delay with enforcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    What they should really have done is appeal the councils decision right up to the supreme court, get the local politicians involved if needs be

    You clearly know absolutely nothing about the case. LMFAO

    It was the post-celtic-tiger era, it likely didn't cost them much to build it

    No it wasn't. It was at the pre-GFC. absolute peak Celtic-Tiger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There's no contradiction. That sentence literals says the issue is that the house does not reflect the style as depicted in the Rural House Design Guide. Which clearly it doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There's no chance of that now, but back that it was not nearly as well monitored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    och!

    Front Page Irish Daily Mirror 20/03/2026


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    It was very easy to get a mortgage when that house was built, particularly through a broker, banks were throwing money at people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    I think you would have needed planning permission,I don't think there was a mortgage, have the family mentioned one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Cole train


    Are they racist? How did this come to light?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    jaysus, wheres that coming from? highly narcissistic id say, thinking they could get away with it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,478 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Bitching to multiple media outlets about B&Bs having asylum seekers in them and not wanting to be there yesterday.

    Along with the confusion about whether theyre even here it seemed like a jibe about nothing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM


    That's coming from some of the wife's comments during a radio interview yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Cole train


    Comment by previous poster, wouldn't quote for some reason? Crinkly was the poster. Do you think both of them and the kids were narcissistic? Maybe the council as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭crinkley


    from the radio interview - dunno any other way to interrupt what she said in it other than underlying racism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Cole train


    Hardly racist to highlight Ireland's shambolic immigration regime, although probably ill advised. I think it's great they're tossed out, but casual stupid abuse of them is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no, its very likely both parents are highly narcissistic, with their persistence in chasing this through the courts, and of course when planning was refused, they simply ignored it and built an even bigger house, this would be classic narcissism, believing the rules dont apply to them, and they have an entitlement to do as they please. if this is the case, their kids will grow up with this self of entitlement, and will become very dysfunctional, everyone will be a mess.

    no, the council are simply implementing the rules and laws that have been socially and democratically agreed upon, and largely accepted amongst the population



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Cole train


    Sorry, so you're diagnosing both parents with narcissistic personality disorders, and saying the kids may catch it off them? Or saying the parents are just selfish doses and the kids will also be selfish doses? I'm not sure what it is you mean? I can't see the kids emulating the parents as it went so poorly overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Unknown if they had a mortgage or paid for it themselves. We've theorised here previously that it's likely they got their ESB connection by just giving the planning reference number of their refused application to the ESB, the ESB likely didn't check if it was granted/refused, and connected their house.

    It's possible they did the same with a mortgage, but I doubt it to be honest because as lax as the banks themselves may have been at the time, throwing huge mortgages at people because it was 2006-ish and nothing would ever stop how great things were, solicitors still do an awful lot of checks and it likely would have been flagged.

    I'd say they most likely built it with their own money. He had his own plumbing company and all tradesemen were making huge money at the time. Add into that his connections which meant he could probably get other trades/builders and even some materials that bit cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭crinkley


    she’s far too narcissistic to be raising a point about government policy. She was too good to be in similar accommodation but hard to see how that can be read any other way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭secman


    Council and courts have to carry out demolition, any other outcome would clearly muddy the waters going forward. Coincidentally we were in the process in 2005 buying a site in a rural area, we appointed an architect and got guidance on what size, neither too big or too small, of house and all the do's and don'ts when applying for planning permission. We got it first time , started building in May 2006, top prices of Celtic Boom were in force. Stuck rigidly to all the conditions of PP, paid the council capital contribution. One of the conditions was we couldn't sell the house until 5 years has elapsed, arse had fallen out of house prices, we were potentially €150k down on what it had cost to build.

    To be honest that couple are reaping what they sowed, all on them and them alone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no im not, its possible to have narcissism without having a personality disorder! again, no im not, kids imitate parents, this is how we learn about the world, the kids may acquire this sense of entitlement from their parents, we have plenty of evidence of this from around the world, the trump family etc. selfishness is pretty much what narcissism is! unfortunately these outcomes are common enough in such families, anyhow, house will be gone soon, it ll be interesting to see how the parents react, probably not so good, theyll probably try sue the state



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