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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    It'll most likely be the same thing this time next year, "this can't be sustained", same talk since 2022. Something much more dramatic will have to happen for this to end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It'll need to be one of;

    1. China and/or India pulling the rug from under Putin;
    2. The US getting off the fence and throwing their support firmly behind Ukraine;
    3. One or more European countries calling Putin's bluff and providing direct, meaningful military support;
    4. (most likely) Someone/ some grouping in Russia deciding to throw Putin out of a window and under the bus.

    Otherwise it'll grind on in the hope (by Putin) that TACO will force Ukraine's hand so that the financial and economic devastation caused by the war won't fall on Russia's shoulders. He can't be let off the hook. And at this point - certainly for the past 9 months or so - I think even the Ukrainians are looking to drag things on until TACO is neutered domestically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I really think we'll still be here next year unless something very unforeseeable happens (and no, Russia will not run out of soldiers and its economy will not collapse, can we please drop these fantasies?), because both Russia and Ukraine are in very difficult positions but Putin will not back down. This interview by Zelensky is very revealing, including the statement that Trump is "not on anyone's side" in the war. What a shocking thing to have to say (off the record apparently a lot of Ukrainian officials actually say they believe Trump is on Russia's side):



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    On point 2 we need more of this -

    Europe could offer to help Trump on Iran — if he backs Ukraine, Finland’s Stubb suggests

    Alexander Stubb, a golf buddy of the U.S. president, says it’s a “really good idea” to try to bargain with Trump, who wants Europe to help him open the Strait of Hormuz. 

    Europe could offer to help Trump on Iran — if he backs Ukraine, Finland’s Stubb suggests – POLITICO

    On point 4. I've not read much on here about the clamp down on mobile internet in St. Petersburg and Moscow. We don't need a complete coup just enough that the midget has to concentrate his concerns inward more. I'm not at all optimistic of an overthrow happening but will always hope. Some of Shoigu's closest allies (since his demotion) have one by one been rounded up and charged with corruption etc. The most recent one being quite significant. His number 2 from when he was Minister for Defence

    Russia charges ex-deputy defence minister with corruption

    I think Putin is very loyal to Shoigu and he may leave him be but I suspect Shoigu himself is second guessing what's going on and fears he may not be long for this world. Will be react or do anything? One can only hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Not a bad idea but the terms would have to be very clear that any assistance from Europe will be provided AFTER the USA delivers specific, meaningful support to Ukraine (e.g. the donation of X patriot missiles, a squadron of F16s, X Bradleys etc - basically ask Zelenskyy for a shopping list).

    Trump has far too long a track record of stiffing his creditors for any other terms (and this should be stated publicly as part of the negotiation. Humliate the fucker now that he's the one begging for help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I wouldn't trust Trump, he never pays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    You should help and support my war of choice in Iran.

    But I won't help you with your war in Ukraine.

    That's kinda the deal being "offered" to Europeans. No surprise they rejected it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    They're basically treating him like the spoiled child that he is - paying a bit of lip service to keep him from burning the house down but ultimately just ignoring him.

    Meanwhile, won't be the straw that breaks the dictator's back, but good to see nonetheless…

    ‘Put him on trial’: pro-Kremlin loyalist turns on Putin in rare outburst | Russia | The Guardian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) expressing concern about the possibility of aid to Ukraine being diminished by the war in Iran. Livestream. He was questioning head of the US Defence Intelligence Agency (USDIA) Lt General James.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Death by a 1000cuts. Or in this case drones.

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    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I try not to post too many twitter links but I liked this one particularly -



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    A prominent pro-Kremlin commentator, Ilya Remeslo, has publicly turned on Vladimir Putin, calling him a “war criminal and thief” and denouncing the war in Ukraine as a “dead end,” in a dramatic reversal from his years of staunch support.⤵️https://tvpworld.com/92156432/longtim...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Disruptions to internet access in Moscow amidst coup rumours.

    A few days ago ex minister Ruslan Tsalikov was arrested, officially on corruption charges. But corruption is widespread in the regime so the real reason is likely to be that the regime doubted his loyalty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    It sounds like the Russian's Spring offensive may have started the day before yesterday if not earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Polish court approved extradition of Putins archaeologist in Crimea. The Crime: For years following the illegal annexation of Crimea, Butyagin orchestrated a series of illicit digs at the Ancient City of Myrmekion in Kerch.

    Question: should archaeological digs by an occupying power be allowed?

    A Polish court has officially approved the extradition of Russian archaeologist Oleksandr Butyagin to Ukraine in what can only be described as a spectacular plot twist for the cultural theft department of the chief Kremlin gangster.

    Butyagin, who operates as a sector head for the State Hermitage, is essentially accused of acting as an imperial grave robber in occupied Crimea.

    This landmark decision marks the very first time a Russian citizen is being packed into a diplomatic parcel and sent to face Ukrainian justice, a precedent that must have the Hague top fugitive choking on his morning caviar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Krasnov is seemingly about to put boots on the ground in Iran to open the straits of Hormuz. It will be Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan all rolled into one X 4.

    If he does, Putin possibly wins Europe, not just Ukraine. Taiwan will be a cake walk for China. N Korea can take S Korea and Japan is a sitting duck.

    WW3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Putin can't even take the Donbas. How do you think he will take Europe?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Exactly. But Putin can cause huge troubles for Europe. For example, he can attack Estonia, not even by crossing the border just yet, only sending drones to kill soldiers and civilians. What would Europe do then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Putin just needs to sow - with the aid of the likes of TACO, Fico, Orban and useful idiots like Farage, Meloni and Le Pen - the seeds for Europe to eat itself and break apart from within. He's banking on not needing to fire a shot based on the idea that the greatest weakness of democracies are their deference to the will of their citizens.

    European people need to recognise who the real threat is here - it's TACO, Putin and Xi, not short term market-fluctuating pains like inflation, housing and cost of living. Nobody - especially not the populist liars like Farage or the right wing liars like Le Pen - has the silver bullet for solving those global issues. They will ebb away in their own time (to be replaced by new pains, ad infinitem as is the cycle of life). The last thing we need is to be torn asunder by people whose only interests are money and power for the sake of money and power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    The Coalition of the Willing would call an immediate meeting!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The EU has so far managed to keep Ukraine in the fight by buying weapons and ammunition for them from the US. If the US gets involved on the ground in Iran, Europe likely won't be able to purchase more weapons from the US, for Ukraine, for years.

    In an interview last month, Mr Zelensky told NBC’s Meet the Press that they would have a “low chance” of survival without US support.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-us-military-aid-weapons-trump-zelensky-b2709249.html

    The EU stepped up and bought weapons from the US for Ukraine to counter Krasnov turning off US support because EU armaments manufacture is insufficient to meet Ukraine's needs, let alone EU + Ukraine needs.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy expects European countries to allocate $1 billion every month for the purchase of American weapons for Ukraine’s defenders

    The US weapons manufacture capacity and procurement has been allowed to degrade to well below their own requirements. They can't build the ships they need, they can't build the submarines they need, they can't fix the problems with the F-35, they didn't build enough F-22s… The US Navy is a mind boggling mess from top to bottom. They can't move their existing ships without running into things, they repeatedly start building ships they don't need, realise it after most of the costs are sunk and a few very expensive examples have been built then stop and go back to the drawing board. You see the consequence of that incredible dysfunction right now with them suddenly finding they don't have enough frigates, hence trying to suck in allies for So Hormuz escort duties.

    In just the past few weeks they have lost 3 F-15s, a KC-135 tanker, another put out of commission for a good while and several damaged on the ground. Boeing is being fined because they can't make the KC-46, the KC-135 replacement.

    Russian targeting and Iranian execution, have decimated the US and allied air defence systems across the whole region. The replacement cost for these is many billions, and the US doesn't have the capability of replacing them for several years.

    https://abcnews.com/International/us-allied-radar-sites-middle-east-struck-10/story?id=131164670

    Iran claims to have destroyed four THADD radars; given I have seen satellite images accounting for 3, I'm not inclined to disbelieve them. Replacing these will take years.

    The Gulf States have used up several years worth of US anti air missile production capacity - even though it's recently been increased substantially, so apart from maybe two months worth of Patriot ammo Germany managed to scrounge, Ukraine's Patriot batteries will be paper weights, possibly for years.

    US losses will escalate if they they go boots in. Their military industrial base has been inadequate to serving US peace time requirements, let alone war.

    Russia has been held at bay, to a significant extent, by US weapons. The supply of these looks very likely to be imminently cut off. This would be a disaster for Ukraine. If Europe had the guts to get really involved, They could make up for the loss, but they clearly wont.

    Krasnov is the gift that gives, and gives and gives again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Meloni is a good person, she is most definitely not on Putrid's side or an Orc asset. Nor is she an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    We've gone from Putin possibly 'winning Europe' to trying to kill soldiers and civilians in Estonia with drones.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Well yeah, small mercies. Putin has no tanks nor people left to take over Europe.

    But you do understand that even a small attack which kills EU citizens may break up the EU unless Europe acts decisively? Imagine the crisis with some countries wanting to help Estonia and Orban and Fico putting a veto on any military response?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    I think the fear for Europe grounded in history is Ukraine somehow being overrun (as their outside help sources are drying up and EU has its hand tied by Orban) and then Ukrainian ingenuity and industry and intelligence being turned westward

    Feeling of betrayal and being stabbed in back, is a powerful emotion that Russian propaganda can exploit on those it doesn’t exterminate or deport under an occupation

    And yes the Russian empire has done this exact scenario before, luckily for us both Russian empire and USSRs eastern block both fell apart under the weight of Russian contradictions and nonsense, tho it wasn’t so lucky for those living under Russian boot from Finland down to Bulgaria for so long

    Let’s not downplay the sacrifices Ukrainians have made to keep the Russian barbarian hordes away from civilisation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    She's the least worst of the bunch, but far from a good person in the eyes of most progressive/ liberal Italians I speak to.



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