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Eating healthy is not expensive

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah and the other side of it is the advantage that you get if your family does teach you to eat healthily from the beginning. My immediate and wider family was always into cooking. Cooking food for family occasions was important and people talked about it and enjoyed it. It became a social norm for me.

    I gained an understanding of food from a young age and I didn't earn it, it was given to me. That's why I can't jump on the bandwagon to bash people who don't have a clue about food because I know I didn't have to educate myself, it was gifted to me.

    It's too easy to overlook an advantage like that. Eating healthily is not necessarily expensive but, eating unhealthily is probably not necessarily expensive either. Both can be made expensive depending on how you do it. Eating salmon and beef fillets is probably healthy and expensive, supermarket home brand frozen pizzas and chips is probably not healthy but cheap.

    Expense is only one part of it. Knowing what is healthy, balanced and cheap is not simple. Well, it's simple as long as you eat plenty of lard and avoid lard, plenty of oil but not vegetable oils because vegetable oils are perfectly healthy, worry about air miles and also don't worry about air miles, only eat in-season, locally produced food but also don't worry about that.

    It's fine for everyone cosplaying as nutrition experts, but if you're not willing to pretend to be an expert, it's difficult to actually know what's healthy and what isn't. And that's probably the issue, education



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Thanks. I left the **** show when the pearl clutching internet dietitians arrived. My kids eat a varied diet. Plenty of fruit, berries, proper food, balance. Not fads, not extremes, just normal eating.

    That seems to bother people more than it should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    It is promoted as being good due to it's high smoke point and low saturated fat. Googling you will see it near the top of most lists of recommended oils for cooking due to being a good all round oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭The Mulk


    Agree 100%, some people consider frozen chicken burgers and chips and jars of Dolmio etc. as home cooked meals.

    FYI it was Luke Wilson not Adam Sandler😉

    Post edited by The Mulk on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    It's based on outdated/flawed advice. There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,259 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Googling will find you a recommendation for almost anything/any side of the argument you want, which is half of the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    I haven't seen one convincing argument to excuse obesity as a choice.

    The education is there, the affordability actually favours healthy diets, so ultimately the cause of obesity is bad choices by people who have all the information but choose to ignore it.

    We're now seeing in follow-up studies of ozempic users that revert back to their pre treatment state that a lot of people chose to ignore that the drug was an aid and not a cure.

    We can't intervene in adults lives by limiting their excess consumption and we certainly can't do the exercise they eschew.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    You havent seen one cause you dont want to see one, and would rather poopoo any counter point.

    You've done a spectacular job in proving your own point, that "some people just dont want to learn"!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "…the cause of obesity is bad choices by people who have all the information but choose to ignore it.

    We're now seeing in follow-up studies of ozempic users that revert back to their pre treatment state that a lot of people chose to ignore that the drug was an aid and not a cure."

    Precisely. And that's why boiling the argument down to "healthy food is cheap and information is online" isn't going to address the underlying causes for a lot of people; namely their relationship with food as a whole. As you said, people who lost weight with Ozempic or similar have often put the weight back on. Similarly it's said that 95% of diets fail, and that's commonly because after the diet, people start going back to the way they were eating before, because they haven't properly addressed their relationship with food and the reasons why they overeat.

    There are often deeper levels to why they're overeating, which the cost of food or ease of finding recipes does not address. Those things go beyond just "bad choices".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    It boils down to wilful ignorance when people wilfully chose the obese lifestyle.

    As the discussion is about the affordability of healthy food I feel we're in agreement that it is.

    Therefore a crap food lifestyle is a choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Jury is still very much out, all official dietary advice is still that it is bad. HSE, NHS etc all in say it should be avoided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    As they used to say about eggs, which led to countless people missing out on a cheap source of high quality nutrition. They'll change they're advice in time, when they eventually catch up with the latest research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    My mother in law was told by her doctor to take up smoking to with her grief after her husband died.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Worked with a guy who had the worst diet I've ever seen. He'd eat anything and everything. He would butter individual pieces of a scone as he was eating them, going through 4 or 5 of those little pats every time. Mad for the pints, chicken fillet rolls, chipper, bacon fries…..he would keep the salt cellar beside his plate and add salt toe very individual forkful before eating it. I once saw him going through a bowl of wings that someone had already eaten, saying "plenty of atin' left on them", picking them clean with his teeth. Wasn't a pick on him, however. I found out he was a cross country mountain runner and had the highest metabolism of anyone in the whole building. He'd run home, in slacks and shoes, after a night out in town. It was all just fuel for the engine, as far as he was concerned.

    Our little one in creche get a hot meal about 11.30 -12.00pm. We give a packed lunch which he eats around 2pm, then he's picked up at 5pm on the way home from work. It's not always possible to have something prepared in advance, but most days we'd have leftovers or something mostly prepared from the previous day. He's hungry at 5, and would be starving at 6 if he hadn't been fed. If there's no shopping in, it's nearly 7pm by the time we're sitting down to eat. He is 100% on a different schedule/clock than we are. There is no way we'd be able to keep him unfed from 2pm to 7pm, there'd be murder in the house.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Jesus even at my most gluttonous, I wouldn't start gnawing the remains of someone else's chicken wings!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    What can you do if they won’t eat what you are eating? We would more often than not have to do something different for the kids as one won’t eat most of what we eat and the other is too young for many things though will attempt many meals of mixed through potato for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Eat together at the same time, even if it is different food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Anois_


    Eating healthy is easy. I got up had my bowl of corn flakes. A chicken fillet roll at lunch and a packet of O'Donnells crisps with a can of club orange. For dinner I had a steak with potatoes and some peas and a glass of water. Then just now I'm eating a Wham bar a dairy milk Cadury's bar a Yorkie bar with a can of coke and a microwave popcorn. Later I will eat a few chocolate covered rice cakes and a packet of crisps.

    I pretty much eat this every day except I have different dinners.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 714 ✭✭✭waterfaerie


    Have you heard of baby led weaning? The little ones eat whatever the family is having right from the beginning. As for older ones, I think there's a difference between letting them away with not eating a few things they really don't like and actually making a whole different meal for them. I know it's so hard and I am so lucky my daughter isn't fussy so I do feel for parents in that situation.

    From reading and talking to other parents, I think one thing that helps is getting them involved in preparing the food. Even little ones can help wash vegetables and gather ingredients etc. If you can get them involved in growing it, even better.

    My cousin was a fussy eater and my aunt went down the separate meals route. My cousin is now 27 and dry chicken is the only protein she will eat. She eats chicken nuggets most days. She's active and skinny as anything, so a perfect example of how being unhealthy does not necessarily equate to being overweight. It's easy to give obese people a hard time and overlook others who are just as unhealthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Brilliant, I love convenient rural myths, here’s another two…

    Back in the 70s, when accident analysis was guesswork, a doctor in hospital, who never saw the crash or the scene told my uncle he’d have died if he’d worn a seatbelt and been sober after a crash he caused that totalled eight cars. (as told by said uncle)

    My grandmother was told by a doctor back in the 60s that if she’d stopped smoking earlier, the shock to her system might’ve finished her quicker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    You're getting a lot of predicted & unwarrented sanctimonious lectures on this one!!!

    I know it's a pain in the hole but you just have to serve the same. They'll get used to it and I bet you 100%… they won't fade away. If they really refuse and you're worried about them going to bed hungry reheat the original dinner…. if no, then its fruit and berries. And I'm still amazed at how some of my kids can refuse food, go without it for so long with no ill effects!!

    (they still piss and moan at 18…. but they won't spend their own money, they'll still eat the same stuff you're eating!!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Bushwrangler


    The HSE nutrition advice is set up for obesity. Old food pyramid still going strong. A 'nutritionist' recently told us to stop breastfeeding our son and start feeding him soy milk. With the amount of progesterone in it, it is possiblely the worst food on the planet - especially for boys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There have been qualified dieticians on several radio shows lately pushing high carbohydrate diets, which will drive diabetes. The establishment are still pushing decades old outdated advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Kids should be taught about food and the basics of cooking in school. Its so important and cant be assumed they will pick it up at home. Many people just dont know what to do and are too lazy to learn. Its not about the cost, there are lots of youtube videos on eating well on a budget.

    Ive noticed a trend with modern families where they only occasionally have family meals together. Parents not being home at the same time so they snack on whatever is in the fridge, or get take away. When i was a kid we always ate dinner together so that regular routine stuck with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    We Got that in transition year. The brought us to another school which had a home economics setup and they taught us to cook. It wasn't about nutrition but it was really valuable to me.

    For me at least, knowing how to cook gave me an interest in food more generally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    My kids won't eat fish. They'll eat calamari and prawns but not fish.

    We went to a Japanese restaurant recently and they both ate sushi. Nice raw tuna and salmon. They complained when it was gone.

    I asked my eldest about it as he refuses fish at home. He said it didn't taste fishy. I'm stumped

    Had them both out in the tunnel on Saturday for 3 hours cleaning it up and planting a load of veg.

    We all eat together and whatever is on the plate is dinner that day. If they don't eat something, tough.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    That makes sense. Fresh sushi should not taste fishy.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    As I've said previously, I'm a big fan of canned fish.

    They can easily be turned into fish cakes with some leftover mashed potato. Served with frozen peas, they make for a cheap and nourishing light meal.



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