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ePower Dublin rollout

  • 11-10-2024 09:39PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭


    e-Power, in conjunction with Dublin City, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and South Dublin councils say they're rolling out 200 charge points at 50 sites in council owned car parks. Not a lot of detail yet, with all sited not decided yet. The first ones are to come in Q1 2025.

    The mention they will include contactless payment, which normally means DC chargers, right? I don't recall seeing AC chargers with any built-in payment.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/electric-vehicle-chargers-in-dublin-6512878-Oct2024/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    90% of the chargers will be offering 100kW speeds. All fast chargers will conveniently support tap and go contactless payment via debit or credit cards

    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/A4GeCPfd737EvZG3/?mibextid=WC7FNe

    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/A4GeCPfd737EvZG3/?mibextid=WC7FNe

    they’ll be delayed as they won’t get a supply from the grid in time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭innrain


    Dublin authorities decided against all, that the future is DC and DC only. As for the locations some are

    "The final locations are still being decided but they will be provided the website of each local authority, the ePower app and on the Driivz platform but some of the initial locations will include:

    Baldoyle Library
    Bremore Castle
    Donabate Portrane Community Centre
    Howth Harbour
    Porterstown Park, Castleknock
    Windsor Terrace
    Killiney Dart Station
    Sandyford Park
    Tallaght Stadium
    Bushy Park
    Dodder Valley Car Park
    Palmerstown
    North Clondalkin Library
    St Anne's Park
    Cabra Library
    Ballyfermot Leisure Centre
    Raheny Library
    Wellmount Road, Finglas"

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/1011/1474817-ev-chargers-dubling/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Best of luck with Baldoyle library. It’s constantly a busy junction and someone trying to park there to charge is going to be a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,567 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I was thinking the same thing, I didn't even know there was parking there

    I get the idea of using council land so there's no hold ups on negotiating a lease, but there must be somewhere better nearby

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,567 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    While I'd definitely say that mass rollout of AC chargers is better in the long term, I'm forced to agree that DC chargers will give the best return in the short term

    It would have been nice if the councils could've demonstrated some forward thinking back in the day and made it a lot easier to install on street chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭innrain


    I don't think Dublin LAs had any term in consideration when they took the decision. I have studied their policies documents and even minutes from their meetings related to the subject starting from 2018. One of the most resistant of them is DCC. People with power of decision in these meeting have said "we loose parking spaces if we install chargers", "we're not in the business of selling electricity" and much more. As for the policy document I was referring to, the consultants recommend AC charging network given examples of larger capitals in Europe who did so, i.e London, Amsterdam, but decision is taken to install DC hubs. Further down in the document they also say that this is not going to be feasible due to power constraints. It is one of those documents where one can see the conclusion was written first.

    I think the first and foremost we have to ask what is the objective of chargers being installed by the LAs? Why did the gov asked, and given money to the LAs to install chargers? If it is to provide access to charging facilities to residents who don't have it, for a reason or other, but still own a car and park on the street already, then the answer to me is obvious. Then those cars won't take additional parking space and they would be providing a public service to their constituents. By adding DC hubs, they create the need to drive to a place where I have no business to be just to charge. Parking spaces will have to be reserved for charging and I can bet the chargers will be pretty low in power, poorly maintained and expensive, and because of these, underutilized. After the first run, they'll come and say "the market doesn't want us to install chargers"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    All well and good making the announcement if it's not cost effective then they won't be used. Looking at a place with an epower charger and it's charging 59c for a 22kW charger. If they use similar pricing for these hubs then no boby will use them and the councils can say that they provided charging hubs but the public didn't use them, while ignoring the reason why they didn't get used.

    People will switch to BEVs if they are good for the pocket and environment, no one is changing just for the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    Personally I'd be against any policy of providing chargers to be used by any specific constituents on the road they already use for parking. Public money should be used to benefit everyone. If the spots could only be used for charging and have a max time use then that's a different scenario. The downside then of course for such residents is that their normal parking spots on the roadside are gone as they have become charging spots. A hard one to resolve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,468 ✭✭✭markpb


    I think would put an AC outlet at every parking space on a road but wouldn't mark the spaces as EV charging spaces. Residents with ICE cars can continue to park there, residents with EVs without private parking can park & charge there if there is space. I would only do that on streets where there is zero private parking and where the footpath is wide enough to have space for the extra equipment without encroaching on pedestrian space.

    I suspect the last part is where some in DCC have a problem with it: they (rightly!) get abuse for footpaths full of junk but then get abuse for not providing AC charging. If/when AC chargers go in, they'll get abuse because of the extra clutter on the footpath and from people who can't get a space (their space!) to charge at night. At least one of those people will be on the phone to Joe Duffy because they couldn't bring their terribly ill child to hospital because their battery was low because they couldn't charge because someone else was in their space. In the face of all that abuse, it's easy to see why they went for the community DC hub approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭innrain




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    The initial phase of the project will see ePower’s high speed chargers installed at more than 40 Dublin locations across the four Dublin local authorities.

    The company also won six of 17 government contracts for the rollout of new high-speed electric car charging hubs across Ireland due to be operational by the end of 2025. 

    From

    Also mentions shopping centres with no details of exact ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭innrain


    It's safe to assume Nutgrove is one of them :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Dungarvan Shopping Centre and Thurles Shopping Centre are another couple. Lanthorn apparently manage St. Stephen Green Centre, so maybe there too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I'd question the business case for them in Dungarvan. As my closest town I'm always snooping to see if there's anyone at the fast chargers at kilrush circle k. They are rarely used and that location is on the ring road (the main Cork Waterford road). The shopping centre is in the town centre, you're not going to divert from the N25 to charge when kilrush chargers are available.

    On top of that there's very few apartments in the town, ergo the vast majority of EV drivers would have access to home charging and most who do their weekly shop in the town are not travelling more than 30km. Even with a significant subsidy it makes little financial sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Oct 2024

    The first of the 200 charging points, which will include contactless payment options for credit or debit cards, will be rolled out within the first three months of 2025.

    March 2025

    The initial phase of the project will see ePower’s high speed chargers installed at more than 40 Dublin locations across the four Dublin local authorities.

    Lots of announcements, but no action. Have they rolled out any chargers yet?

    The Circle K near me has installed a load of high speed chargers with zero fanfare. The local authorities have had loads of fanfare and no chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭pjdarcy


    What sort of charging speed do they mean when they say "high speed charger"?

    Edit: I just saw above that it's 100kw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Dungarvan has seen a multiplication of rapid EV chargers in the last few short years. It wasn't that long ago when there was just the one ESB unit in scanlons yard and the singular sometimes-working Chademo unit in the Nissan dealership

    That small town can now DC charge up to 11 cars (up to 5 Chademo) at a time with another 2 available not far away in Lemybrien

    I'd say the supply/demand curve just needs to tip around again which will probably happen if we get a boost in EV sales



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I believe there is now a legal requirement for petrol stations to supply chargers on their forecourts. Certainly the number of them I pass these days without chargers is dwindling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I see ePower sites on ABRP many are not live in the app though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭dsandson


    Sounds like an API problem. I sometimes see new Applegreen sites on Zapmap a few days before they actually go live. Must be how its been setup it becomes live to API before its live on the app



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    This week was a landmark week for ePower. €30 million of debt and equity has been raised through reinvestment, with equity from existing shareholders and Impax Asset Management, and debt funding from our new funding partner Dunport Capital Management.

    “We are delighted to support ePower at this important stage of its growth journey. The company has established itself as one of Ireland’s leading independent EV charging operators, with a high-quality pipeline of contracted sites and strong institutional backing. The rollout of public charging infrastructure is essential to meeting Ireland’s EV adoption targets and we’re pleased to be making a meaningful investment in the transition to a low-carbon economy.”

    Aidan Lynch – Investment Director, DunPort Capital Management.

    Thanks to the team at ePower, our external advisors, funders and our shareholders for their invaluable support. Onwards!

    (l to r): Maria Walsh Analyst Dunport Capital Management; Frank Coombes CFO ePower;  John O’Keeffe, CEO ePower, Francois Rossouw Associate Director Goodbody

    Photo: Fintan Clarke / Coalesce

    Read more here: https://lnkd.in/eVagD2JE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭mr chips


    There's a bank of six Type 2 ePower chargers at TUS Limerick. Can anyone confirm if there's any restriction on accessing these at weekends? Going to be near there on Saturday evening and it'd be a handy place to top up for a few hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭pureza


    As a new EV owner I downloaded their app last night and was immediately charged 4.79 which seems to be a monthly subscription charge for access to 50c/kwh rates

    Is that an irreversible 12 month contract? With one months notice to cancel at the end or what is it?

    Nothing is clear (to me) in the app about it and I thought I was just adding a payment method in the same way as I did for the Esb ecars app


    can I close that account and just keep the app for pay as you go? Which is what I wanted to do in the first place

    I presume as I havent used the service yet ,I can cancel anyway under distance selling rules?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭10-10-20


    It is all there on the sign up page, in fairness.

    Screenshot_20260319_075825_ePower EV.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭pureza


    Thanks,In my haste,I tap tap tapped until I added a card,hoping not to be delayed rocking up to one tomorrow

    I called them and there’s no issue at all being refunded

    They’re handily in an aldi car park nearby today so wanted to use them for a top up



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