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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's not up to me to answer your questions. You are confusing me with customer support.

    I replied to your statement.

    Who knows the true psychology behind it.

    Ahh. The advertising companies maybe, it is what they do.

    I don't think this is one of those great mysteries to be honest.

    The greater worry is people getting triggered by the colour of people in ads.

    Discuss?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭creedp


    You’re correct it’s worrying why people get so triggered that they are not ‘appropriately’ represented in advertising campaigns

    https://www.asa.org.uk/news/findings-on-racial-and-ethnic-stereotyping-in-ads.html

    I suppose sometimes it’s just easier to placate those who shout most loudly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I didnt ask who created the ads. Which is what you seem to have answered...

    But you do tend to answer questions nobody asks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Boggles brings only discord to this thread. I’m not sure why he hasn’t been banned for persistent goading.

    Here he pretends not to understand the criticism, suggesting that choosing non-native models for a St Patrick’s Day public health message is a perfectly normal choice for advertisers to make, when it is so obviously evidence of ideologically driven casting.

    ‘Triggered by the colour of people’ is a crass mischaracterisation. We object to the politicisation of advertising which reveals itself in the colour of the actors. If all ads contained white people, the left would be the first to be ‘triggered by the colour of people’.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You pondered who knows the psychology behind it.

    3rd time. The Advertising Companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Here he pretends not to understand the criticism, suggesting that choosing non-native models for a St Patrick’s Day public health message is a perfectly normal choice for advertisers to make, when it is so obviously evidence of ideologically driven casting.

    The only thing obvious is they use stock photos.

    If people on Twitter are invoking great replacement theory or whatever other nonsense they chose to on that shít stain of a site, the triggering is most certainly with them which invariably comes from a dark place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Ah ok. Yes agreed. The people who created the ads know the psychology behind them.

    But we the consumer do not. Which is the demographic my statement was pondering on behalf of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I imagine it's based largely on the fact that the vast vast majority of consumers are not racist nutters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Its usually based on revenue generation and targeting specific audiences with specific messaging.

    So for the HSE example do we reckon the advertisers think only brown people smoke?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    image.png image.png image.png image.png

    So for the HSE example do we reckon the advertisers think only brown people smoke?

    I think you are overthinking. I imagine Mary in the office uses stock images to knock out their very basic Facebook "posters"

    This is probably the only actual photo they have.

    image.png

    Actually, they have another one.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Our population is growing “in a very positive way” according to Micheal Martin in his conversation with Trump when challenge on our migration levels

    He neglects to acknowledge our growing population is pretty much entirely due to inward migration. Our own natural population growth (once amongst the strongest in Europe) has continued to decline with a generation of young Irish people stuck at home - there are too many people and not enough houses. This migration driven population growth has exacerbated the housing crisis. The government do not want to highlight this.

    People do not begin families when they are stuck in living with their parents. So our own population will continue to dwindle, while Martin cheerleads their replacement. A generation of Irish people sacrificed so Martin can pull himself off at what a “humanitarian” he thinks he is. Pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    These make more sense based on our majority white demographic.

    That majority is shrinking year on year but I dont think Marys recent stock photo is representative of the population, yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    An interesting factor of the “representation” issue wrt advertising is how one sided is it

    POC complaining they don’t feel adequately represented in Western media ✅

    Non POC complaining they don’t feel adequately represented in their own media ❌

    The latter group are to be dismissed as cranks for some reason.
    In Nigeria advertisers are strongly encouraged to only use Nigerian people in advertisements, foreign actors generally require justification and local approval first in order to be used an ad.
    This is not an issue for some reason for the same people that would denigrate that latter group above.

    It’s complete doublethink

    Very much a “What’s ours is yours, and what’s yours is yours alone” situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The latter group are to be dismissed as cranks for some reason.

    The cranks are the ones highlighted on Twitter who invoke conspiracy theories because they see a black person on a poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124321127#Comment_124321127

    African decent are overrepresented to the population Asians are underepresented in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    And are Nigeria cranks and conspiracy theorists for doing the same thing themselves when the shoe is on the other foot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Are they are claiming some shady secret group are trying to replace them with white people?

    If so, yes they are cranks too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I don’t think so, I think it’s more that they think media made in Nigeria should be reflective of Nigeria and Nigerian People.

    Is that a reasonable stance on their part do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Will0483


    The left pretend to not understand even the most basic concepts. At least I hope they're pretending!!

    Funnily enough, the Nigerians have banned all non-nigerian models from their ads!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-62717066

    The average American thinks that Black people make up 40 per cent of the population as opposed to the true figure of 13%.

    The main reason given for this disparity was that Black people make up approximately 40 per cent of all characters on tv and advertising!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If that is what you believe it to be, why were you trying to compare it to the cranks who believe they are being replaced to extinction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I made no such comparison, I said people who don’t feel they are adequately represented in their own country are disregarded as cranks for whatever reason (you highlight it’s because you think they believe they’re being replaced to extinction)

    You are the one that is inserting the conspiracy aspect to this. You have no idea of their motivations. Perhaps they don’t feel adequately represented - is that not possible without a conspiracy?

    Are Nigeria reasonable in what they do with regards to the selection of actors and media produced in Nigeria do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    We need socialism to work not just for equality, fraternity etc. but for to actually have a livable planet. The chancers claiming to be on the left from SF, SD and labour don't give me much hope that will ever be achievable.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You have no idea of their motivations.

    They are hardly opaque.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    That’s some of them of course

    But perhaps they don’t simply feel adequately represented - is that not possible without a conspiracy?

    Are Nigeria reasonable in what they do with regards to the selection of actors and media produced in Nigeria do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    That’s some of them of course

    Yes the ones I clearly referenced.

    Are Nigeria reasonable in what they do with regards to the selection of actors and media produced in Nigeria do you think?

    We have already put that to bed.

    It's not based on a belief that they are being replaced by White People.

    Why you keep trying to compare the 2 is a mystery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    You haven’t put anything to bed, you’ve just been evasive

    When Irish people call for more representation reflective of their country it’s only because they’re crank conspiracy theorists according to you, when Nigerian people do it it’s a total mystery that you couldn’t possibly comment further

    Seems rather logically inconsistent

    And you pretending not to understand the basis of any comparison between the two is laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    When Irish people call for more representation reflective of their country it’s only because they’re crank conspiracy theorists according to you

    Who are you referencing?

    The cranks I referenced and have referenced were in the screen shot above.

    Do you not believe people who claim they are being replaced to extinction by an elite global cabal are not crank conspiracy theorists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Anyone who thinks that media representations in Ireland are not truly representative of the country as a whole

    Yeah I do believe that actually. But that’s meaningless because these aren’t the only people that take issue with it. It’s not only conspiracy theorists. Perhaps they think it’s overly heavy handed DEI policies behind it, who knows, you certainly don’t know all their reasons anyway.

    And it’s clear to all that you’re avoiding giving your thoughts on Nigeria’s policy with regard to this, because that requires admitting that either they are also all cranks and conspiracy theorists or perhaps that there are other reasons they might utilise such policies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Anyone who thinks that media representations in Ireland are not truly representative of the country as a whole

    What people think isn't always reality.

    I just posted several photos from the Facebook page that image originated from, the majority are stock photos of white people, the only actual photos they have are exclusively white people.

    If you are being consistent, are you perturbed that non white Irish people are under represented?

    Yeah I do believe that actually. But that’s meaningless because these aren’t the only people that take issue with it. It’s not only conspiracy theorists. Perhaps they think it’s overly heavy handed DEI policies behind it, who knows, you certainly don’t know all their reasons anyway.

    So you believe they are nutters?

    I don't think you need to try and explain their reasoning to be fair.

    And it’s clear to all that you’re avoiding giving your thoughts on Nigeria’s policy with regard to this, because that requires admitting that either they are also all cranks and conspiracy theorists or perhaps that there are other reasons they might utilise such policies.

    3rd time. Nigeria's advertising policy is not based on race. It's based on nationality.

    The ones you agree(?) are nutters base their lunacy on race or more specifically someone is trying to replace them with other races.

    You are still trying to compare apples and anvils.



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